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The whole point here is to examine whether or not the team’s play can be evaluated in such a way that helps predict outcomes...
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Again, primary stats are the bed predictor of outcomes, by far. I know people don't like this answer because it's such a banal answer. It's still the truth.
[quote]and help determine personnel usage, strategy, matchups and even things like trades or call ups. [/
As far as I know there is little to no evidence that they actually do any of these things. I'm sure some new stats do something, but for the most part the jury is probably very much still out.
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Since there are quite a few things the stats can’t predict they will never be perfect, but it doesn’t make them useless.
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True, that's not what makes them useless. What makes them useless is the existence of other, better stats that are so much more predictive that it's questionable whether their predictive power can be enhanced with secondary stats.
Although since secondary stats have existed for years now, I think we can safely assume that people have tried this and mostly failed. Because if they had succeeded we'd likely know about it, as development is reported while non-development is not.
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The idea that the flames had good advanced stats and failed to find success, therefore advanced stats are useless is poor reasoning.
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It would surely be if anyone had said something like that.
Wasn't what I said though.
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What’s funny is that I don’t follow advanced stats closely. I rarely have any interest in even reading the advanced analyses that were frequently posted as to why the Flames were better than their record.
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Yes, it's pretty noticeable that you don't actually read the statistics, you just comment on them as if their usefulness was a rhetorical matter.