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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In recent years, many cities in democratic countries have held plebiscites/referendums around hosting the Olympics. Boston, Salzburg, St Moritz, Innsbruck, Munich, Hamburg, Budapest all failed to pass. The people who support hosting Olympics know this, which is why they don't like plebiscites.

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You're going to have to extrapolate here. Nenshi said that the party who wants the plebiscite should be the party to pay for the plebiscite..,the province. Ergo the party that does not want the plebiscite is the City of Calgary.

This is a failure of modal logic. Stating that the party who has demonstrated a desire for the plebiscite should pay for it does not imply that another party that hasn't demonstrated that preference is against it. If anything, he's expressing ambivalence. Additionally, you're constantly conflating two "Cities of Calgary" here - City Hall, and the population itself.

Here's the issue. We've already studied this bid...for two years and ten million dollars. We have the answers we need to proceed with a 50 million dollar bid. Except we don't. And now we don't have enough time to get that information together.

Who's "we"? Do you have this information? I don't. I'm waiting for someone to put out a pdf setting it all out for me to read so I can decide if I think this thing is going to make fiscal sense. I suspect that something like that will in fact be produced in advance of the plebiscite.

Wonderful. That makes perfect sense. Agree 100%. But that's not what you're getting. What you're getting is sorry, there is no time and no information for you. So away we go.

I don't believe I should get a vote on every decision that Council makes before they make it, even if I might have an opinion on it. I can understand why people think this issue is worth it, but I don't think that a plebiscite is necessarily useful, for the reasons Cliff put out above. It's going to skew "no", even if Calgary as a whole is largely in favour but most people aren't paying enough attention to show up and cast their vote on the matter. It does seem to be a moot point now; my read of this is that there will be a plebiscite and Nenshi's trying to position it so that the City doesn't have to pay for it, or at least not all of it.

It seemed pretty accurate in Vancouver. A plebiscite was a pretty easy under taking in Vancouver in 2010. Don't you even for a second wonder why it's so incredibly hard for Calgary to figure it out?

Who says it's hard to figure out? It was costly in 2010, I'm sure, too. But in that case, if I remember right, hadn't Vancouver already submitted a bid before they held the vote there? Weren't they already further along in the process? I seem to recall it being so far down the road the the IOC was already in town commenting on the process and checking out the proposed venues.