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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
There are all sorts of politics blogs where identarian columnists make simplistic moral judgements and opine snarkily.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
He's probably familiar with the ones his favourite critics will cherry-pick segments from.
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Apparently not just in politics blogs...
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Originally Posted by Makarov
Fair point, but by the same token, we also have to be able to ask “why do black males (or indigenous females or other marginal groups) have, on aggregate, such bad outcomes in our society and what should we do about it?” without being dismissed as a “social justice warrior”.
It seems a delicate balancing.
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It's really not
that delicate a balance, though, is it? If you come to the table with empirical data about the reality that, in your example, black males have bad outcomes in society and talk earnestly and non-dogmatically about the sources of those issues, it's not like anyone reasonable is going to call you a SJW for noticing that white racism and the legacy of historical power structures are among those sources. That line comes when you present dishonestly parsed data in support of the notion that white racism is the only source of the problem worth talking about, or characterize anyone who wants to talk about the nuances as a racist for distracting from the problem of white supremacy as if there were no cultural issues at play whatsoever that aren't the direct result of systemic oppression.
In other words, Cliff is actually asking for someone to ask, and answer, your question... but to do it candidly and honestly without self-righteous moral grandstanding. That appears to be a bridge too far for the identity politics crowd at this point, a challenge they're unable to answer for the reasons I was talking about earlier.
Frankly if everyone could just approach issues of inequality the way the effective altruism movement approaches charitable giving, we'd all be better off.