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Old 03-25-2018, 03:03 AM   #1025
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Really? I always found the romance quite positive. Han starts out immature and embodying many if those negative masculine trates. He's later changed by Leia, who is smarter and more mature. I never saw it as Han putting Leia down. If anything it was the opposite.

There's also a lot of time between the first two movies. A lot of people speculate that something happened between Han and Leia during that time.
"Head canon" aka fan fiction is irrelevant, as is their relationship in later movies. Han and Leia romance as portrayed in TESB is just cringe worthy.

The change in Han happens later. In TESB it's basically thus: Leia keeps telling Han she's not into him, even going as far as to say she's into Luke to get him to back off. Han keeps ignoring what she says, completely full of himself and certain that really he's irresistible to her. This keeps happening until Han corners her in a quiet part of his ship. (So "finally" there's nowhere to go and she needs to face him.) She physically pushes him off, he grabs her, she tells him to stop, he doesn't stop, she tells him to stop again, he still doesn't stop, he points out that she's trembling and afraid, (she says she isn't, but it's clear it's true), he tells she likes her because he's a scoundrel, she says actually she likes nice men and starts telling Han he's not a nice man, but he cuts her off physically pushing her against the wall of the ship and kisses her.

At which point she's suddenly all into her and everything is fine. This was all very romantic. If you didn't understand it's romantic, there's romantic background music to tell you how to feel about it. She just didn't want to admit she's into bad boys and Han needed to push her until she gives in.

Everything about that is just effed up.

To be fair to TESB, "force yourself on the girl until she admits she's into you" is very common in older movies especially with men coded as strong masculine and sexy. Like James Bond raping a girl to bring her to the side of the good guys, this was, as they, "a thing".

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