[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The thing I do not get is if it is the players more than the coach, then Treliving should be fired. For the record, I think they are both bad.

But if we have traded 2 1sts, 4 2nds, a 3rd (Smith assuming we miss the playoffs), a 3rd and a 5th, a 2nd and another 2nd for a team that is on pace to finish 20th in the league (bottom third) that is a GM error, nobody blows that many picks to put together a 20th overall team (combine that with the fact that the Flames get to beat up on brutal opposition frequently being in arguably the weakest division in hockey) and it is a damning indictment on Treliving.

But Gully is equally poor if not worse. But I do not see a world where the GM put the right players in place and the coach used the players properly and you blow all your draft picks to build the team for this year and both the GM and the coach are good at their jobs and it is some extraneous factor that led to the result. I mean, good God this team has not even had any real injuries to any important players outside of Smith. This record is this team arguably performing at its best with as little bad luck as possible.

what if the gm who hired the bad coach and makes the bad trades....is bad?