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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack
what?? one guy has a Presidents Trophy and a Cup ring, the other guy has 3 of this franchise's highest draft positions, plus one playoff round win powered by magical come from behind unicorn juice. how are they somehow equivalent borderline selections?
all of the talk about Gully's shortcomings is justified, but it's bizarrely turned the Legend of Bob into a thing. yes, that guy who the players grew to despise over the course of 4 years and will probably never work in the NHL again. I'm tired of reading about how awesome Hartley hockey was. it was bad in the shortened 12-13 season, which is why all the vets had to get shipped out cause they underperformed. it was ok in 13-14 cause of zero expectations. it was super fun in 14-15 because we broke the Nucks. then it sucked in 15-16 again despite a better roster.
if that 14-15 year was more like the other 3 and they didn't abracadabra their way in with a ton of comebacks, then we'd be talking about him being in the running as the worst Flames coach of all time.
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I think people are misinterpreting some of what's said about Hartley. I don't think Hartley was a great coach, but he's useful as a comparison with Gulutzan to at least show the impact a coach can have on his team. Gulutzan's Flames have generated a lot more shots and allowed a lot fewer shots, but they've also scored on a lower percentage of their shots and allowed goals against on a lower percentage. Overall, Gulutzan's results have been better, but there are clear areas that have become worse. So when someone tries to argue that a coach doesn't have much impact, Hartley is useful to point to as a counterexample. You don't have to want to re-hire Hartley to appreciate some of the things he did well.