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Calgary4LIfe · 03-05-2018, 11:52 AM

I don't think Treliving deserves a lot of heat right now, though I imagine he is going to get some.

Yeah, that trade for Hamonic potentially might look bad, but it isn't like Hamonic is an over-the-hill vet that will be leaving the organization shortly. He is probably better than what you get mid-round. It will look ugly if that pick wins the lottery, but as it stands right now, outside of the top 10 picks, that is a trade I would want the GM to make. He has been really good for this second half of the season, is mobile, is good defensively, moves the puck well and is actually quite difficult to play against. He was worth the acquisition price in my books.

The main issue is that there hasn't been any RW prospect that has made the jump since Ferland who has any scoring potential. I think Poirier had tremendous potential. Pribyl was looking good, and seemingly was a really good pickup. Sometimes an organization just has bad luck and things go south.

I expect Treliving to do two things this off-season:

Address the depth - depth is much easier to find through the UFA bin or through trades. I think Shore was a move in the right direction already.

I also think that Treliving will find a top 6 RW.

Darryl Sutter said it best at the trade deadline: The Backlund line is the best 3rd line in the NHL.

Bennett - Jankowski - X need to be a good line next season for this team to have any success.

That 4th line has to have guys that can PK, pot a few goals in a season, and be better defensively ALL year.

I think if you find the right winger for that second line, that line could really start making noise. Many don't think so, and that's fine. We will just have to see.

The most glaring hole in the lineup to me is of course coaching. I do expect Treliving to be busy finding a new coach this off-season. The Flames are giving up more shots on net (and I would bet high danger shots, especially in the last stretch) than in the previous regime's tenure, but without the offence. Usually a team that implements a more defensive structure actually experiences better defensive stats. It hasn't been working for whatever reason.

I also think it is a shame having this many capable offensive D who are all (with Hamilton being the exception) of under-achieving offensively. For a club that is STARVED for offence, that is a serious untapped resource.

I don't want Treliving let-go. I do think that consistency in the GM position allows for a longer-term vision and increased likelihood of success. I want Treliving fired if he starts making some moves with the apparent aim of saving his job, or saving a season. That's when a GM absolutely needs to go.

Coaching, #1 goalies and #1 centers - the three enigmas that has haunted this team forever.

Notable coaches that experienced success while in Calgary:
Bob Johnson - Got the Flames over the hump and able to beat the Oilers
Darryl Sutter - Got a bunch of lunch-pail unheralded guys to work so hard together
Bob Hartley - got a rebuilding squad into round two of the playoffs
Terry Crisp - won a cup, even though he was despised by the players

Agree with the list or not, but that is the Calgary Flames' 'good coaching' history. Some people would even scratch Hartley and/or Crisp off that list.

In goal, the Flames have had Vernon, Kiprusoff and now Smith. Sure, there were others that kind of came and went through the organization like Giguere, Roloson and Anderson, but I am talking about legitimate #1 goalies that were here as #1 goalies.

#1 Centers - Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, Monahan. HM Langkow. Savard was a player that looked like he was breaking out, but I don't think I would consider him a bona fide #1 center while here.

The three Unicorns that has plagued the Calgary Flames, but I say that coaching has cost this team the most over the years. Flames have no choice but to remedy the situation. If Treliving honestly feels that he has done a good job in the building department, then he has no choice but to relive Gulutzan after this season and find a replacement that can take this team further.

I always think a GM should get 3 cracks at a coach. If he wins the cup (or even goes to the final with one), he gets an additional crack or two. I said it when he fired Hartley - the clock started ticking on Treliving at that time with Gulutzan being his first crack at it. Unless the 2nd coach absolutely bombs, he deserves 2 more after Gulutzan. I would be looking to hire a more experienced coach with a track record if I was Treliving.

03-05-2018, 11:52 AM	#754
Calgary4LIfe Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Exp:	I don't think Treliving deserves a lot of heat right now, though I imagine he is going to get some. Yeah, that trade for Hamonic potentially might look bad, but it isn't like Hamonic is an over-the-hill vet that will be leaving the organization shortly. He is probably better than what you get mid-round. It will look ugly if that pick wins the lottery, but as it stands right now, outside of the top 10 picks, that is a trade I would want the GM to make. He has been really good for this second half of the season, is mobile, is good defensively, moves the puck well and is actually quite difficult to play against. He was worth the acquisition price in my books. The main issue is that there hasn't been any RW prospect that has made the jump since Ferland who has any scoring potential. I think Poirier had tremendous potential. Pribyl was looking good, and seemingly was a really good pickup. Sometimes an organization just has bad luck and things go south. I expect Treliving to do two things this off-season: Address the depth - depth is much easier to find through the UFA bin or through trades. I think Shore was a move in the right direction already. I also think that Treliving will find a top 6 RW. Darryl Sutter said it best at the trade deadline: The Backlund line is the best 3rd line in the NHL. Bennett - Jankowski - X need to be a good line next season for this team to have any success. That 4th line has to have guys that can PK, pot a few goals in a season, and be better defensively ALL year. I think if you find the right winger for that second line, that line could really start making noise. Many don't think so, and that's fine. We will just have to see. The most glaring hole in the lineup to me is of course coaching. I do expect Treliving to be busy finding a new coach this off-season. The Flames are giving up more shots on net (and I would bet high danger shots, especially in the last stretch) than in the previous regime's tenure, but without the offence. Usually a team that implements a more defensive structure actually experiences better defensive stats. It hasn't been working for whatever reason. I also think it is a shame having this many capable offensive D who are all (with Hamilton being the exception) of under-achieving offensively. For a club that is STARVED for offence, that is a serious untapped resource. I don't want Treliving let-go. I do think that consistency in the GM position allows for a longer-term vision and increased likelihood of success. I want Treliving fired if he starts making some moves with the apparent aim of saving his job, or saving a season. That's when a GM absolutely needs to go. Coaching, #1 goalies and #1 centers - the three enigmas that has haunted this team forever. Notable coaches that experienced success while in Calgary: Bob Johnson - Got the Flames over the hump and able to beat the Oilers Darryl Sutter - Got a bunch of lunch-pail unheralded guys to work so hard together Bob Hartley - got a rebuilding squad into round two of the playoffs Terry Crisp - won a cup, even though he was despised by the players Agree with the list or not, but that is the Calgary Flames' 'good coaching' history. Some people would even scratch Hartley and/or Crisp off that list. In goal, the Flames have had Vernon, Kiprusoff and now Smith. Sure, there were others that kind of came and went through the organization like Giguere, Roloson and Anderson, but I am talking about legitimate #1 goalies that were here as #1 goalies. #1 Centers - Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, Monahan. HM Langkow. Savard was a player that looked like he was breaking out, but I don't think I would consider him a bona fide #1 center while here. The three Unicorns that has plagued the Calgary Flames, but I say that coaching has cost this team the most over the years. Flames have no choice but to remedy the situation. If Treliving honestly feels that he has done a good job in the building department, then he has no choice but to relive Gulutzan after this season and find a replacement that can take this team further. I always think a GM should get 3 cracks at a coach. If he wins the cup (or even goes to the final with one), he gets an additional crack or two. I said it when he fired Hartley - the clock started ticking on Treliving at that time with Gulutzan being his first crack at it. Unless the 2nd coach absolutely bombs, he deserves 2 more after Gulutzan. I would be looking to hire a more experienced coach with a track record if I was Treliving.