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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
It's becoming more and more clear all the time that the whole "War on Drugs" has been phenomenally successful, so I agree with you -- we should just keep doing the same things. Lock up those drug addicts -- they'll get clean in prison. I mean whoever heard of drugs in prison?
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Your talking as if this has been the strategy of choice - it hasn't.
Vancouvers stance has been the complete opposite the last several decades and it has got that city and that problem
no where.
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Originally Posted by Hakan
Do you think they chose that life? Do you think they really want to be drug addicts? No. Clearly there are issues of addiction affecting them. Clearly you have never been addicted to anything before so you really can't storm in on your high horse and start prescribing solutions that are completely devoid of the reality that these people live in.
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They did chose that life, they chose to use Heroin or crack or any other drugs, knowing too well of the fact these substances ruin your life and addiction can take hold. So in a way, they did choose that. Now i know, as you have said, as many others have, different circumstances play into people using these drugs, but the fact of the matter is, we are educated on the dangers and if you decide to go down that road reguardless, it's your own fault.
And..
As a matter of fact, i spent 5 years of my life addicted to crack/cocaine and it was a real eye opener. Through my strength and the help of my family, i got through. I realized i didn't want to die, i realized i wanted to see the world and wanted to experiance so many things - this is what got me out of that hole.
In my 25 years on this planet, i've had good friends put in jail over drugs, many of them - not all - to come out changed men. Jail is what they truley needed, time away from the negative people they hung around, time away from their addiction. Time to reflect on what has happened - as when your addicted the only real thing you think about is your next fix so you don't make too many logical decisions. I have a friend who is serving 24 years for attempted murder, all because drugs got the better of him and he made a poor choice to stab a drug dealer for his crack and $300 in cash.
Don't talk to me about what i've witnessed and what i haven't. I blame myself 100% for what i put my family and friends through, because it was my
choice to use. Whatever happened after is irrelivant, because i chose that lifestyle knowing too well of the dangers associated with it.
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Originally Posted by Hakan
Just quit doing heroin? Good idea. Why haven't I, they, or anythign else involved with drug policy thought of that? Wow, it's so simple! Great idea.
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I never said it was simple, but heading on down to a place to shoot more drugs is not helping. These people need to isolate themselfs from all of these criminals and dealers. They need a time out and time away from the drug.
You can't sit here and say, if your body is withdrawl for a longer period of time from a drug, you become less dependant, because thats science. I didn't make it up to support my argument, thats how our bodys work. Thats how smokers quit, thats how Alcoholics quit and that my friend, is how drug addicts can quit.
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
Hey look! Living in Vancouver does serve a purpose on this board! Incoming logical bombardment!
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Originally Posted by Red Mile Style
Jeez, why don't you show some respect to other posters?
Kay Thanks.
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I show the same respect he showed me.
If he wants to pull some sarcasm in the first sentance of his post, making me out to be an idiot, instead of putting forth his views in a positive manner, i will show him the respect he deserves.
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Originally Posted by Red Mile Style
Where's all YOUR proof, stats and links instead of posting nonsense like "addiction is not an illness"?
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Where is the proof the DTES has gotten any better in the last 2 decades of all these "experiments"
I'll agree, the safe injection site has decreased the amount of HIV infections but it certainly hasn't helped a good portion addiction wise. I'm not sitting here denying it has been a 100% failure, but if this program is only helping a handfull of people, while providing a nice clean and warm enviroment for the rest of these individuals to simply get high - it's a failure in my eyes.
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Originally Posted by Red Mile Style
Clearly, if you call Vancouver a hell-hole, you have never been there. I fail to understand how someone can call a place between the mountains and the ocean a hell-hole.
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Oh i've been there.
When referring to "Hell hole" i was directing that to the DTES, not Vancouver in general.
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
1. You've never been too either jail or
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Oh really? You have got to be the worlds greatest psychic - don't quit your day job.