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Originally Posted by Looger
this one WAS ugly.
look, nowhere in this thread did i say the KGB is GOOD.
for god's sakes it's the same friggin thing as america's system now! homeland security is HIRING these wackos! the israeli faction of the neo-cons were trained in the soviet union!
but the VAST majority of the deaths in eastern europe were not orchestrated by the KGB, it was by the NKVD. it's very very simple.
if people want to confuse the two then the case could me made that russian special operations have killed more than american. but that WAS NOT the original question.
unreal.
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You really have to bundle the NKVD and the KGB as one singular identity. since the KGB was just an amalgimation of two different security agencies, the NKGB and the MVD so that all internal and external security affairs merged under one body. the internal structure and leadership of both organizations never changed. Now you can certainly sluff off a lot of deaths to Stalin's poisoned pens, however Beria and the KGB was certainly riding shotgun, created the gulags, and provided the apparatus to obtain the falls confessions. You also have to remember that when they pointed at you and declared you a traitor, you died, and your entire family was either imprisoned or sentenced to a silent slow death in Siberia, so the KGB was certainly guilty of causing 40 million deaths. You also have to accept the fact that the KGB created and imported thier methods to not only the Soviet satellite states thus interfearing in friendly nations. But the KGB also supplied arms and finances to a great many of the worst terrorist groups. For example Ayman-al-Zawahiri received training in a FSB sponsored camp in 1998 (I know, I know its FSB, but I found it interesting.). Carlos the Jackal was funded and trained by the KGB, as was PFLA, the KGB certainly got its hands dirty with the IRA, Arafat was a great friend to the KGB, as was the Red Army Faction.
There were a great many more, these are just a few examples.
Interesting topic though.