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Old 01-09-2018, 03:04 PM   #892
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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack View Post
it clearly didn't work, in fact it seemed to have weakened him cause he just can't flush the light away. even Snoke berated him for the deed, saying that it shook Kylo to the core. so then he has a tantrum, gets into his TIE to blow off some steam and prove he's still badass but...can't pull the trigger on mommy. he actually seems to be losing evil as time passes. that's why it was kind of a letdown that after saying screw everything, he just decides to become the same old supreme leader. hopefully Ep 9 explores more about how he's still being dragged to the light.
I'm going to make some fairly large leaps here, so bear with me.

By killing Snoke (BTW in a very Sith like fashion) he did the one thing that Vader couldn't do, and that's murder in the pursuit of higher power. Ren made the decision to kill Snoke and seize control of the First Order, and use it has a tool to "wipe out the past". I'm convinced that once Rey failed to jump on his side to rule the Galaxy side by side that he was willing to kill her.

The fact that he was willing to kill Luke doesn't really state to me that he's evil, and that's the problem. He saw Luke as a betrayer and a failure and pretty much as the whole reason that he had to kill his father, because Luke while he might not have made Kylo Ren, certainly put the polish on someone that was already falling to the Dark Side.

In the aftermath books btw, they hint at Ben's darkness while Leia was pregnant with him, and Luke completely misread the situation.

The Kylo Ren that went down to face Luke was completely determine to kill Luke, that was a given. He had basically also stated that there were to be no prisoners or mercy on the Rebels iirc, that includes his mother and Rey.

So, I really don't think that there's a drawing to the light with him. The problem is that he's still a rage monster, and not really rational in his actions.

There's no light left in Ren now, He's committed to the darkness, and he knows that he's damned, you got that sense in that final glimpse of Rey, to me there is a symbolism of his lost chance to return when the Falcon's door closes.
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