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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack
I thought it was the fact that he was bleeding to death from a bowcaster shot that was powerful enough to blow regular people 10 feet in the air, plus the emotional trauma of murdering dad, plus the physical exertion of fighting off Finn. and also that he's not as strong in the Force as Rey, as was demonstrated by her resistance to his mind reap. but you know, can't be all that stuff, must just be bad writing / Mary Sue-ness.
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Its funny, because you had me thinking about that fight again.
Yes Kylo was badly wounded and bleeding, theoretically the pain he was in should have fueled him. That's the secret to using the DarkSide is that it gives you power by drawing on your base emotions, anger and hate and pain, whether emotional or physical.
By Ben killing his old man, it was supposed to symbolize at the time that he was fully committed to the DarkSide. We saw it in ROTS that Anakin had to basically kill those kids to cement himself to the Darkside and remove all of its conflicts.
However, i think that there are a couple of key things here.
I really don't think that he got much training from Snoke, it just didn't feel like a Sith Master Apprentice relationship. Kylo was fairly clumsy, you didn't really see him use a ton of force powers besides the Force Stasis and that mind bending thing that he does. We didn't see him throwing around Lightning and his Force pull appeared to be underwhelming.
I think that Ben/Kylo probably has a natural affinity with the Force but his ability to use it was under developed because at the time that he fought Rey, the conflict that he thought should have been gone wasn't.
Its interesting going back and looking at books like the Darth Bane books, and the Plageuis books and other books about the Dark Side users and Sith Users.
In order to be able to truly use the darkside of the force powerfully you have to commit to it.
In the Darth Bane books, Bane killed his father, Darth Zannah killed two Jedi that tried to save her. Sidious killed his entire family. Dooku its presumed murdered Sifo-Dyas. Anakin killed the Jedi including children.
The murder of someone close to you helps you get past the morality question of doing bad things to achieve a higher goal.
The other thing that was interesting in the Dark Lord book. At one point Sidious is mulling over whether Anakin/Vader will ever be a proper Sith. And he muses that the Jedi had a poor understanding of the sith based around, Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering.
Sidious theorized that raw emotions like anger and hate were initially required to draw on the dark side and the dark side fed on those to give you greater power. But a true Sith needed to learn to get passed those emotions and control them so that you can call on those powers when you needed them. But a Sith also needed to be able to move beyond those emotions so that they could discard any sense of morality in pursuit of a higher goal.
He also revealed that while the Sith coveted power, the need for power was all about gaining it to break the chains that enslaved you and allowed you to fulfil your destiny.
Kylo Ren still hasn't gained control of those initial emotions and that's why he's not as strong as he could possibly be. He also hasn't been able to get rid of that nagging morality.
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You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species… finally, the galaxy itself.”
―Darth Plagueis
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