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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Let's actually review everything he has done, and do our best to spot the good moves.
1) He recoups a 7th round pick for McCollum - being Christmas and all I would actually rank this a top 5 trade by BT
2) Lack and Murphy for a 6th round pick and Kanzig - Here BT did the impossible, he lost a trade where he was giving up Kanzig and a 6th.
3) Hamonic and a 4th for a 1st, 2nd and conditional 2nd. He wins this trade if the Flames go to conference finals or beyond in the next 3 years, if not tough to say he wins it. He blows this trade in Seguin fashion if they miss the playoffs. The only real trades this guy wins (even potentially are ones where he is sinking picks in to get the player)
4) Mike Smith for Brandon Hickey, Chad Johnson and a 3rd. Gave himself some insurance in this trade as he may keep a 2nd if they miss the playoffs. He wins this trade if the Flames go deep in the next 2 years, too early to determine if this was actually a good move or if signing Elliott would have garnered the same result for a cheaper price.
5) Lazar trade, looks bad right now.
6) Stone for a 3rd and a 5th. BT wins this trade hands down.
7) Chiasson for Sieloff - another win for BT, when you get the NHL player you win.
8) Elliott for a 2nd and conditional 3rd - BT loses this trade. It is possible that he loses both goalie deals in a 12 month period, which is impressive.
9) Kris Russell for Jyrii Jokipaka, Pollack and a 2nd. BT wins this by recouping assets at the deadline in a year where they were not competitive.
10) Backstrom and a 6th for David Jones - It is Christmas, give BT a win for getting a 6th round pick.
11) Hudler for a 2nd and a 4th. Another BT win, although he must be thankful for the Feaster assets he is able to move for a couple wins at the deadline.
12) Granlund for Shinkaruk - This is where it starts getting ugly. Dim Jim sees BT coming from a mile away and he owns him each and every time. BT should not trade with dim Jim, dim Jim is playing chess while BT is playing snakes and ladders.
13) 2nd for Sven - see above.
14) Hamilton for a 1st, 2nd and 2nd - win for BT, probably his best move.
15) Freddie Hamilton for a 7th round pick. A marginal move, probably equally as good on the waiver wire without giving anything up.
16) Glencross for two 2nds - another win for BT
17) Shore for Knights - a wash
18) Bollig for a 3rd - BT loses, tough to do when giving up a 3rd for a supposed NHL player, but he did it.
So BT is an average trader at best, he is good in two scenario's: when he is recouping assets at a deadline when the Flames are out and when trading all his future picks for right now. Most NHL GM's can accomplish something in those circumstances.
His free agent signings have been putrid and his coach hirings are equally as bad. Trading is his best skill.
Finally my point about the prospects was that we will not have any real 00's and 01's in the prospect pool in 2021, given all the picks we have given up. So right now the only prospects we will have will be 98's and 99's. If you cannot see that BT gutted the prospect pool I do not know what to say.
I would be curious what aspects of the GM job you think he does well? Trades? UFA signings? Coach signings? I like how you reference his "moves that have not had time to produce results yet". This guy basically makes one type of move, win now. He does not make moves for the future. I think I have listed the good things he has done in the trades above.
A quick rundown of the UFA moves I have missed (feel free to put any in the good move category)
Brouwer
Raymond
Hiller
Frolik
Johnson
Versteeg
Grossman
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#9 is a win and #6 ?? both can't be wins.
#14 Hamilton for Boesser and 2 2nds? Or Barzal or Connor.... not a clear cut win unless the Flames draft poorly out of the #15 spot.
#3 Hamonic looks really bad. He was coming off a bad year in NY ... the Islanders are a better team without him and better than the Flames with him.
# 5 Looking at the numbers of NHL players the Flames have drafted in the 2nd round and their NHL impact and Lazar is not at all a bad trade. He has more NHL games with the Flames (28) than the sum total all the Flames last 7 2nd round picks (4).