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blankall · 12-15-2017, 10:18 AM

Well....they really Jar Jared this one up.

The best part of the movie, by far, was the Kylo Ren stuff. In the TFA I found him to be way too emo and sniveling. His character development was fantastic. I really felt like he was developing into this character filled with self-righteous evil - the worst kind of evil. The conflict he had between light and dark was great.

Now the bad....

The tone of the movie was off. At times it felt like a Disney musical. In those fast paced scenes in the casino, where zany characters kept popping out, I genuinely thought I'd see Robin William's Genie break out into a musical number. A lot of the humour was bad and misplaced. It's like they knew what they were doing was awful, but thought the audience would be okay with it if they went to a clip of some fuzzy creature.

The space battles were all awful. What made the space battles in the original trilogy great was the sense of "realism" and tactics. This is what sets Star Wars apart from a movie like the "Flight of the Navigator". The original trilogy did a great job of blending the fantastic of a space battle with real life tactics of fighter battles. Poe being able to take on an entire fleet and disarm a flagship by himself was silly. The kind of crazy somersaults he was pulling were also silly. Rose's sister physically pushing the bombs out (WTF happened to Y-wings btw) of the ship without being sucked out into space, made no sense.

And the Rebellion taking out all of those First Order ships (including the flag ship) simply by ramming one of their own ships into them at light speed.....that was a total cop out. If it was that simple, wouldn't you just build an army of battering ram style objects? It also takes the suspense out of previous scenes from the series. If that was an option all along, why didn't someone do that? In previous films, the arrival of imperial ships, meant that you were trapped and couldn't get away. Apparently at any point the rebels could have sacrificed one of your own smaller ships and rammed it into a Star Destroyer....if only they'd thought of it.

Even that opening scene where Poe is making the First Order leader seem like a fool was ridiculous. It took all of the menace out of the First Order. Contrast that with the original trilogy, where you have all the Empirial commanders in the boardroom coming across menacing, and then Vader walks in and scares them. That was how you build a menacing villain.

Snoke....WTF? When he first came on the screen, I was shocked they'd gone so far as to reveal what he looked like in person right away....then they killed him? Without any explanation of who he was? They had better not bring him back as a force ghost. That is not the way force ghosts work. Which brings me to Yoda. In the original trilogy, the force ghosts appear more as feelings and ghostly visions than anything. They do not manifest physical forms and dance around.

I also felt like Mark Hamill really phoned it in. The way he kept saying "Last Jedi" really got to me. Yes I get it...that's the name of the movie. Reports are that Hamill really felt like they were doing a disservice to his character, and that showed through the movie. His heart was clearly not in it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7692386.html

Overall, the movie felt like it was written by someone who didn't understand, or hadn't even seen the source material. If someone told a second person about Star Wars, and that second person wrote a movie, this is what you would get.

My main issue is with the critics stating this was epic, and the best Star Wars movie since Empire. It was clearly worse than the two other Disney films. I had some questions about Rotten Tomatoes before this, but this is just outrageous. Even though the audience scores are all very very mixed, the four they have on the main page are all 4.5 or 5 stars.

Overall I'd give the movie a 2.5-3 /5, as it still had a lot of entertaining parts. Overall, it wasn't painful to watch. But it's far from the "epic" the critics built it up to be. It was definitely worse than TFA. It went in the wrong direction, instead falling into a lot of the traps of the prequel series: zany characters, misplaced fan service (look there's Yoda and he's doing something), ridiculous space/pod scenes, etc...They also really seemed to tear down major parts of the Star Wars universe/lore, with their treatment of Luke, the Force, Yoda, etc...It was on par with Midiclorians, except that it's easier to pretend Midiclorians don't exist.

It's really bizarre that Disney went in this direction after showing they were on the right track with Rogue One.

Overall, I'd say the movie felt more like a Pirates of the Caribbean movie than a Star Wars movie. That's probably my biggest issue. Disney really needs to pull back from these action movies. I really hope they don't do the same thing with the Infinity Wars movies coming up.

12-15-2017, 10:18 AM	#54
blankall Ate 100 Treadmills Join Date: Mar 2006 Exp:	Well....they really Jar Jared this one up. The best part of the movie, by far, was the Kylo Ren stuff. In the TFA I found him to be way too emo and sniveling. His character development was fantastic. I really felt like he was developing into this character filled with self-righteous evil - the worst kind of evil. The conflict he had between light and dark was great. Now the bad.... The tone of the movie was off. At times it felt like a Disney musical. In those fast paced scenes in the casino, where zany characters kept popping out, I genuinely thought I'd see Robin William's Genie break out into a musical number. A lot of the humour was bad and misplaced. It's like they knew what they were doing was awful, but thought the audience would be okay with it if they went to a clip of some fuzzy creature. The space battles were all awful. What made the space battles in the original trilogy great was the sense of "realism" and tactics. This is what sets Star Wars apart from a movie like the "Flight of the Navigator". The original trilogy did a great job of blending the fantastic of a space battle with real life tactics of fighter battles. Poe being able to take on an entire fleet and disarm a flagship by himself was silly. The kind of crazy somersaults he was pulling were also silly. Rose's sister physically pushing the bombs out (WTF happened to Y-wings btw) of the ship without being sucked out into space, made no sense. And the Rebellion taking out all of those First Order ships (including the flag ship) simply by ramming one of their own ships into them at light speed.....that was a total cop out. If it was that simple, wouldn't you just build an army of battering ram style objects? It also takes the suspense out of previous scenes from the series. If that was an option all along, why didn't someone do that? In previous films, the arrival of imperial ships, meant that you were trapped and couldn't get away. Apparently at any point the rebels could have sacrificed one of your own smaller ships and rammed it into a Star Destroyer....if only they'd thought of it. Even that opening scene where Poe is making the First Order leader seem like a fool was ridiculous. It took all of the menace out of the First Order. Contrast that with the original trilogy, where you have all the Empirial commanders in the boardroom coming across menacing, and then Vader walks in and scares them. That was how you build a menacing villain. Snoke....WTF? When he first came on the screen, I was shocked they'd gone so far as to reveal what he looked like in person right away....then they killed him? Without any explanation of who he was? They had better not bring him back as a force ghost. That is not the way force ghosts work. Which brings me to Yoda. In the original trilogy, the force ghosts appear more as feelings and ghostly visions than anything. They do not manifest physical forms and dance around. I also felt like Mark Hamill really phoned it in. The way he kept saying "Last Jedi" really got to me. Yes I get it...that's the name of the movie. Reports are that Hamill really felt like they were doing a disservice to his character, and that showed through the movie. His heart was clearly not in it: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7692386.html Overall, the movie felt like it was written by someone who didn't understand, or hadn't even seen the source material. If someone told a second person about Star Wars, and that second person wrote a movie, this is what you would get. My main issue is with the critics stating this was epic, and the best Star Wars movie since Empire. It was clearly worse than the two other Disney films. I had some questions about Rotten Tomatoes before this, but this is just outrageous. Even though the audience scores are all very very mixed, the four they have on the main page are all 4.5 or 5 stars. Overall I'd give the movie a 2.5-3 /5, as it still had a lot of entertaining parts. Overall, it wasn't painful to watch. But it's far from the "epic" the critics built it up to be. It was definitely worse than TFA. It went in the wrong direction, instead falling into a lot of the traps of the prequel series: zany characters, misplaced fan service (look there's Yoda and he's doing something), ridiculous space/pod scenes, etc...They also really seemed to tear down major parts of the Star Wars universe/lore, with their treatment of Luke, the Force, Yoda, etc...It was on par with Midiclorians, except that it's easier to pretend Midiclorians don't exist. It's really bizarre that Disney went in this direction after showing they were on the right track with Rogue One. Overall, I'd say the movie felt more like a Pirates of the Caribbean movie than a Star Wars movie. That's probably my biggest issue. Disney really needs to pull back from these action movies. I really hope they don't do the same thing with the Infinity Wars movies coming up.