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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
Titan and Ernie already touched on it, but that bold part is way off base.
We are having this discussion on a board with a pretty diverse membership, many of whom are women, some of whom have undoubtedly been through some form of harassment or worse. Making sure we are careful in how we discuss this is part of making sure women feel comfortable coming forward.
Saying this is a place where the chatter could never affect someone involved ignores the fact that this is a pretty wide spread problem that doesn't just affect Hollywood, famous people, or women who work for the NFL, and it means you are okay with this being a place that isn't welcoming or encouraging of women to speak up.
If we are picking and choosing where it's okay to build the kind of place where women are comfortable coming forward, then we are just paying lip service to the idea, or worse yet, just trying to do it when we think women are listening.
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The Plaintiff's position is so far removed from my own reality that I want a much better understanding of the scenario, to accurately do that, I have to ask questions that are unflattering to the victim in order to understand things better.
I understand why it's morally compelling to want to keep the conversation within a strict narrative, but all you end up with is a bunch of people saying the same thing and patting each other on the backs, the conversation becomes about how wonderfully morally empathetic everyone is, which I find to be a very boring conversation with very little room for learning. I want details like what exactly was her rationality for how she went on after getting a second sex toy for christmas. I want to get a better understanding of where the line between victimhood and accountability lies. To root that out, one has to ask ugly questions.
If you want to protect women, wouldn't that best be accomplished by giving them a detailed understanding of how these situations play out so they can better understand how they can respond? By keeping the conversation limited to the plaintiff's victimhood, you tell women that the only role they can play is the victim, and not as an individual who can control their own fate.