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Old 11-28-2017, 02:23 PM   #4283
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Originally Posted by mrdonkey View Post
I guess my homer goggles need cleaning because I have a hard time buying words like "dominant" and "best in the league" when the Flames are still in the tank for GA/G. And neither player is really lighting the world on fire offensively either.

I say this not to crap on either guy or the team as a whole, but as a suggestion to maybe take a step back because these are the same kinds of statements we love to make fun of Oilers fans for.

Edit: I see the dogpiling is already starting. I'll be on my way then and keep my opinions to myself next time.
Ok, I'll bite.
There are stats to back up the fact that Gio-Hamilton are among the top pairing d-pairs.

Out of D-pairs to play together for > 200 min TOI - that encompasses 40 defensemen pairings (if you were wondering re: sample size):

Gio-Hamilton have the top corsi rating of 58.29%. If you go to counting stats, they have a GF% of 57.14% (not as great - ranked 12th/40 - but a puck or two bounce in for them and they would be closer to the top) - of note, their xGF% (expected goals for percentage) - is 58.54% - which is actually ranked 2nd out of 40 pairings - so meaning the pairings above them in GF% have had some lucky bounces to outperform their xGF%.

Now - lets go to Brodie-Hamonic - corsi - 49.04% - ranking 28th/40, and GF% - 35.29% - ranking 37th/40 - xGF% - 42.66 - also 37th/40. They are kinda awful all around. They are essentially the reason why the Flames are bleeding goals against - most teams have a great top 4 - we have a top 2 right now.


TLDR - Gio-Hamilton is the one of the best (if not the best) d-pairings to control/drive play - and are still generally on the ice for significantly more goals for than against, while Brodie-Hamonic are essentially bringing the team down with letting in significantly more goals against while they are on the ice.

I get that we have to be critical of our players, but that doesn't mean that we can't be appreciative when they have stats that indicate they are performing well. Gio-Hamilton deserve some praise but Brodie needs to wake the F up 5 on 5.

I do understand the sentiment among possibly balancing it out further by splitting Gio and Hamilton -> the risk there is then you end up with 2 mediocre pairings vs 1 dominant/1 awful pairing -> especially since GG is stuck on his handedness thing for the D-pairs. I mean you could try Gio/Hamonic and Brodie/Hamilton but that second pairing would get eaten alive defensively.

As for trades, I think we have made our bed in our top 4. I understand a compelling argument to trade Brodie - but I don't think it makes sense with how badly he is struggling defensively right now (we would be selling low).

Sorry for the long post...

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