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Yeah the pacing of the Klingon stuff is difficult, I wish they'd have switched to English early on, in the "yes they're speaking Klingon but for the purposes of the show we're hearing English". Didn't they do that in a movie? I want to say The Undiscovered Country.
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In undiscovered country they did a great job in the trial scene of switching to English during the trial scene. The Klingon scenes feel like they're trying to hard to say that "Hey man these are different Klingon's their language sounds like Na###o and its really slow but you have to read it. I think viewers are smart enough to know that they're speaking an alien language. They also still struggle with emoting because of the masks, and its apparent that they are masks. What worked with the older Klingons was that it was applications so they could still work their facial expressions.
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I liked the intent of the episode, but it really was a mishmash like someone changed a bunch of stuff in the middle and didn't bother to go back and proof read the rest after the changes.
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I agree with this, its almost like they have three story lines per episode. In this episode it was the Klingon Stuff with the Admiral, the Stamets stuff and the on planet stuff, and its like they have three different writers doing them and its actually jarring.
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I don't like what they did with Saru, it seemed like he was under control, but then we find out it was all him, so the earlier stuff of Saru growing as a leader is undermined and now he's what, a broken character?
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Yeah, I've thought about that before, that he was being controlled by the Aliens, or at least they'd heightened his sense of fear to manipulate him. But it was all him because he was basically scared of the war and wanted to leave it. So how does he go back to any kind of command structure? I tend to think that at some point in this series Burnham is going to become the XO of the Discovery and they're angling towards that by having Saru too compromised and that's where we probably get another coupe by Burnham or opportunity to rebel.
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If Tyler is who it's rumoured he is, they've WAAAAY overplayed their hand there IMO, I know the want to setup the sudden but inevitable betrayal moment and have quickly built up this romance to give it meaning, but it'll be hollow because it won't be at all believable.
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The biggest twist they could do now is that he is who he is and not a Klingon, because they've basically hit us with a baseball bat over the head while screaming he's a spy. What would work is if a totally nondescript crewman turns out to be the Klingon so we can have a "Who the frack is that" moment. But what I think they're building to is the obvious betrayal and the emotional regret by Tyler as he throws himself into the warp core or something like that.
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It's still entertaining, but it's frustrating because they're trying to do too much too fast I think, there's so little time for setup to give us a reason to care about these people. Though movies do it, so I guess it's just the writing. In an age where some shows have outstanding writing, it's just disappointing that it could have been so much more.
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I think you've nailed it on the head for me, its gotten a lot better but its still so un-even and they really haven't given us a character that we really feel attached to and sympathetic to and care about. When Burnham was talking about the war ending and her going back to jail. I was like . . . well yeah, you still betrayed your Captain and got her killed so duh. She needs to have that great scene of redemption, but I figure they're going to try to do that by over throwing Lorca who's an outright sociopath, or killing Tyler.
I think the show is really uneven because it feels like as a bridge between Enterprise and TOS that humanity has taken a step back in terms of how the Federation operates. At first I attributed it to maybe this series taking place in the mirror universe. Or even the Federation at this point is heavily militarized and not the exploration armada that it is in Trek. But they've made these flawed characters and that's fine except they they're over emphasizing the flaws to the point they you can't really like them or what to get to know more about them.