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Originally Posted by GGG
Women harassed by Weinstein, women talk about harassment is talking about gun control after a mass shooting.
The flag one again is a little more interesting but again it more reinforces that the male voices intent is disruption. I think that the athletes protesting during the anthem are intentionally trying to amplify their voices through controversy by showing disrespect to a symbol.
So if your assertion through analogy is that the male voices are being amplified by using the #metoo movement that is what I take issue with. The causes and solutions aren't the same so the male discussion does take away from the female discussion.
And that assumes you think that male sharing is genuine. I know my gut reaction is to defend the gender by saying notallmen and womentoo but that is not productive to the discussion that is taking place.
I don't mean to say you are doing this AO but this post to me is where the reasons for men joining the metoo come from. Women are saying they are morally superior to men so I'm going to show them they are just as bad. And that does not move the conversation forward
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My point wasn't really that the analogies I provided were more right, just that from different perspectives actions seem different. I just meant to cast doubt on the moral superiority of the arguments I had read by finding similar analogous situations from a contrasting political perspective. Those Trumpian perspectives I provided are so wrong and incomprehensible from a liberal point of view, but probably right to a bunch of his supporters.
Nonetheless, I do think that if an action is divisive it doesn't serve the best interests of a marginalised group that is in need of allies.
I also admit that I don't really buy into the #metoo campaign that much though. I live in a different culture in a different part of the world and for the most part I see American social media campaigns as shallow, self-aggrandizing and transient. I see them as ultimately trivialising what they are presented as supporting, because they reduce it to the flavour of the month and because they celebrate novelty and momentary impact with a very short memory. I also think a result of the desire to identify groups and champion them is that the real circumstances of those groups are often reduced to caricatures for the purpose of marketing a cause.
My interest is not in the least to challenge 'women saying they're morally superior to men'. I haven't seen that. I actually see a bunch of men posting as though they're morally superior to other men. Again, I'm not engaged in this in social media, but if people are seeing that men sharing #metoo experiences online are generally being accepted by women, well, good. That suggests women don't mind men sharing their experiences, which I think is positive.