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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Where in all that do you say what Christian you were quoting who reputed democracy. Where in all that do you show how this person represents a common Christian world view?

All you have appeared to have done is add some articles from your favorite atheistic web sites. It is interesting that an Atheist's faith is so strong that they can deny even the most basic historical facts. The idea that communism and atheism isn't compatibly is laughable Both China and the Soviet Union thought they were and adopted it as their State policy. The few churches that the Soviets allowed were under direct control of the State. They had to send their sermons into be inspected before they could be preached. Each church member had to register with the government and were restricted from obtaining membership with the communist party or a position within the government. I have a friend whose family is Lutheran. His grandparents had to flee the Soviet Union on account of their faith.

You can argue if the cause was because the communists were atheists or if they just used atheism like many despots have used even peaceful religions as a tool to gain power or territory. But the point still remains that Atheistic governments have been responsible for murder on a large scale. To suggest that all the evil in the world is caused by religion is false. To suggest that a world without religion would be a better place has not been demonstrated within history and judging by the examples we have is highly doubtful.

If you manage for one second to lift your head up from your bible youd notice that two of the links I provided were not Atheist specific websites...because I knew youd say that. That leads me to believe that you in fact dont bother to look at anything besides the book that is pasted to your lap. Beyond that where in the heck did I suggest it was a Christians viewpoint that I posted?
Heres a bit more reading for you from the same article...its history you need to understand before you can spout off the magic that sits on your lap.
By the way the article is a Deists viewpoint...

Age of the Irrational
In 1348 a plague would break out in central Asia. By 1349 this plague had reached every corner of Europe. In the cities of France, Italy and Germany, much of the population would die within a year and in England half the population of London would die.
To the Christians of Medieval Europe the long promised Apocalypse had arrived, and Jesus would surely return soon to claim the faithful and punish the sinners. The Church had taught for ten centuries that all events, natural, political, and social must follow the Bible and all knowledge is revealed there. All events are the work of God for His ultimate purpose. So millions stopped planting crops, stopped planning for the future, and awaited salvation as Christian leaders promised.
But Jesus didn't come and the death continued. In 1357-62 a second outbreak would kill millions more, still no Jesus. All of this was made worse by famine, political chaos, and war. "It must be the work of the Devil" proclaimed Bishops while doomsday prophets lined every street corner. But, It must be those in league with Satan, so who are they would ask?
Never mind the seven-year Tribulation had already gone beyond seven years, and anyone who mentioned this must be in league with the Devil! The great Satan hunt would begin. First came the Jews, the favorite target of church hatred and abuse.
Dragged from the ghettos that Papal decree had imprisoned them in, entire families would be burned alive or tortured to death. Thousands more would flee to Poland and to Islamic nations seeking safety. The screeching mobs failed to notice the clean streets and the lack of filth on every corner. They also failed to notice the absence of dead rats that lay with the Christian dead as whole families fell before the Black Death. Kosher laws were very strict on sanitation.
Murdering Jews didn't stop the plague, so the hunt went on. The Inquisition worked day and night to root out Satan and his followers as the screams of thousands of men, women, and even children echoed in the torture chambers of Europe. Unabated, the Black Death continued its dance across Europe as thousands of rats danced in the streets. In Germany the Hansel and Gretal fairy tale has its origins in this period as pregnant women and even children were roasted alive in ovens to drive out the Devil. It wasn't witches (there is no such thing as witches, just those who think they are) it was the Inquisition inflicting this horror. Things became so absurd that even domestic cats were burned at the stake, which produced even more rats.
Even the church itself and the Pope came under attack in the chaos. Jan Huss of Bohemia (1372-1415) openly accused the church of conspiracy and gets burned at the stake for his trouble. This led to the Husite Rebellion under Jon Milic (d. 1574) archdeacon of Prague. The crushing of this rebellion devastated much of central Europe. Catholics and later Protestants alike engaged in an orgy of murder and brutality that lasted long after the plague ended. In the end the plagues subsided, and Europe's population would not recover until the 17th century. The witch hunting and Inquisition also ended by the 18th century as well. From 400 AD to the late 1500s Europe had progressed little in science and all learning/inquiry was relegated to religious dogma. Reason never had a chance.
Today we know the Black Death (bubonic plague) is a disease carried by fleas on rats whose bites kills humans and rats. This has nothing to do with anything in the Bible or any Apocalypse. Its death toll would rival a nuclear war today. It is just a part of nature that today can be combated with vaccines. Science and the scientific method gave us the vaccine. By the dawn of the 19th century science and the scientific method would disentangle itself from superstition and dogma. A product of the Enlightenment, the scientific method would produce jet aircraft, the Space Shuttle, super computers, and biotechnology. The average person today lives two-three times longer than just 200 years ago.
Yet according to fundamentalists like Phillip E. Johnson in his book Reason in the Balance, the case against Naturalism in science, law, and education, and other Christian fundamentalists, the child roasters and cat killers were correct after all and science has everything all wrong. Everything we know of modern science is wrong, as he hints at some evil atheist conspiracy to lock out God in the science community. His proof is simply the fact everything that happens isn't contributed to some supernatural theme as opposed to it just happened.


http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/beyond_reason.htm