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Originally Posted by IgiTang
Lol.. yes I've been watching burns since day one. Thanks.
Show me some objective related info here other than subjective opinion.
I have a ton of respect for a lot of posters on CP in terms of their hockey knowledge, but when the actual people in the know who are hired by the league or a trusted associate, their opinion carries much more weight than you saying " I think he's telling you the truth and finishing with a slight on my hockey knowledge.
I think that reflects more on you than it does me.
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It’s not a slight on your hockey knowledge, it’s an honest question. If you’ve been watching Burns since he was converted to defence all those years ago, then you’ve clearly seen him develop into how he is now, which is good defensively but stellar offensively. Can he control the game in his own zone? No, but from the rush onward he’s one of the very best.
The reason the appeal to authority is kind of dumb here is because you’re not looking at the bigger picture. Offensive ability is more valued in the voting for the Norris because it’s more obvious and covers more mistakes. Burns can be less defensively skilled than Josi (which he is) but he puts up 30 more points than Josi. If you want to make a case that scoring is the most important defensive stat, that’s fine and I think is a case that could be made, but if you’re looking at the role of a defenceman, Josi is better. Burns just scored enough to make the defensive difference between the two less important to a lot of people.
I think the big difference is that with Josi you can put him with anyone and he can cover their deficiencies. With Burns, he needs a partner that can cover his mistakes so that he can play the offensive game he’s good at.
In the end, I think it’s two different discussions. Burns is the better player. Josi is the better defenceman. If you just want the best player you take Burns, if you need the better defenceman, you take Josi.