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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
First of all, the bolded won't happen. Jagr is still 3x the player that either Brouwer or Lazar are.
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Yet he is without a contract and no concrete indications that one is coming. If Jagr is such a beast, why are your Panthers not all over bringing him back? It's not like the Panthers are loaded with talent. If the Panthers are steering clear of him, that says a lot about what he has left in the tank. If Jagr was 3x any player, he would have teams beating down his door. Fact of the matter is that he is a player that has to play in very specific situations to provide any value to the team. Unfortunately, it is pretty evident that there aren't many in the business that think he has the ability to play in those situations, or a team can invest in a specialist in that regard, and that includes your Panthers.
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Secondly, did you just equate Nicklas Grossmann to Jaromir Jagr? I know you have some larger points that might be valid, but that's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Jagr would turn out just like Grossmann...it's hard to have a conversation with you about this after you pull out a gem like that one.
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I equated the situation, not the player. The situation being an old and slow player the Flames tried to shoehorn into the lineup because he brought a certain quality. Unfortunately speed matters and if you can't skate at the level to play the game any more, you shouldn't get a contract. Like it or not, Jagr is a player that struggles to keep up with the pace of the game. His one big strength, puck control along the boards, is useless if he can't get into the zone in a timely manner to use that strength. It was extremely obvious last season that his wheels have started to fail him. I mean if you really want to have a conversation about this you have to look at players objectively and understand what they bring to the table.
I get that the fantasy hockey guys look at possible lineups and point production, but are you really suggesting saddling the Flames weakest two way center with a guy who struggles to keep up with pace of the game? Also, if the team had not already signed Versteeg, I might be more inclined to support Jagr as a PP specialist. But Versteeg is in that role. Bringing in another player with similar limitations in when and where they can contribute seems like a wasted roster spot and contract.