[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don't disagree with you that the sports teaming of politics is terrible however, I think with Trump there is an almost objectively correct position.

I don't think you can finish this sentence honestly

Trump has made the US better by .....

I'm interested for someone who can. Is there a sincerely held position that is based on fact that would lead someone to believe that Trump is doing a good job. So it becomes difficult.

Unlike Canada's political arguements where there is merit to both the theories and the platforms on each side I don't think that exists with Trump

Yeah, I guess my comment seems a bit strange in the midst of people reacting to a crazy Trump moment. I wasn't really talking about Trump at all. But I fully believe that Trump could only be elected in an environment where political discourse has broken down to the point where people draw a line in the sand. You could never have a Trump presidency if people in the United States were openly debating issues on their own merits and not just arguing along party lines.

I also do not agree that we are so much better in Canada. Even in your own post you say:"Unlike Canada's political arguements where there is merit to both the theories and the platforms on each side". Perhaps by "each" you mean a plurality of sides, and if you do, then I am betraying my own bias. I read it to mean that there are two sides, because "each side" often refers to two opposing sides. And this is exactly the problem. America has two parties, and somehow that has been adopted around the world as some kind of universal right/left divide that does not really exist in and of itself. Of course there are political ideologies that oppose one another, but the hard party line that now splits every issue into a binary is a creation of the American political system and partisanship in general. It's "with us or against us" all the time. It's ridiculous, and it is totally a problem in Canada. Facts are discarded frequently in the hurry-up partisanship opinion forming in this country. We may not have elected Trump, but I think it is quite naive to think Canadian political discourse is so much better than it is south of the border.