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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
We agree here (what's happening, Cliff and I agree, the dark times are here). I'm not trying to legitimise the methods of antifa, they're not a group anyone should advocate for, but there is a very dangerous and/or ignorant thread of conversation happening where people are loosely equating them with nazism. Their "evil" is not remotely comparable, and to compare the two in any way is either a negative misrepresentation of antifa, which is forgoveable, or a positive misrepresentation of nazism, which is not.
One can and should be able to talk about antifa without saying they're comparable to nazis. But again, people who do compare the two (by either suggesting their value is similar, or their evil is within striking range of one another) should be met with a high degree of suspicion and either condemnation or education. It's important that when condemning antifa, people don't use Nazi comparisons. If you understand what antifa is and still make those (even loose) comparisons, it treads dangerously close to a very forgiving view of nazis.
In the end the issue isn't about being too harsh on antifa, it's about accidentally being too gentle on nazism. It's unforgivable.
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I think almost everyone is pretty much agreeing. The difference is you and one side is focused on the slippery slope of putting everyone in the same basket where as others focus on the slippery slope of justifying violence for political reasons.
I'm much more skewed to the second group. If we can condone violence to stop nazi rallies then can other groups justify it for religious reasons? Today, most people in North America would say no, but over a generation or two that could blur if other political reasons justify violence.
Calagry had had these demonstrations in the past right? And from what I could read, a small group would stand half a block away and simply protest the rally with signs. 48 hours later it's over and everyone forgot it happened. There is no several dozen page thread with what a tragedy it is, or comparing this to 30's Germany. It just ended and everyone moved on. That is what would have happened here.
That's not to say there is not a problem. The US has real race issues, and white people dont own a monopoly on racism I might add, but the growing justification that people can pile into the back of a wagon with their pitchfork to go get the witches concerns me.