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Itse · 08-06-2017, 08:05 AM

What should Clinton have done differently?

Mostly not get falsely accused by the FBI right before the voting day. Before that she was in a comfortable lead. That had nothing to do with Clinton, because there was nothing to those accusations.

(In fact there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the FBI got played by Russian intelligence, who inserted false documents into an otherwise legitimate leak of Clintons emails. It's the same strategy Russia tried to use in the recent French presidential election, but failed because the French were too smart to fall for such an obvious strategy.)

It's pretty obvious why nobody in the US likes to talk about this, because it's just too uncomfortable. What surprises is me is why so many outside that country are so eager to find convoluted alternate explanations to something that really has a pretty simple explanation. Plus there's the whole topic of how all through the election Russia consistently managed to insert their own talking points into the US media and social media without anyone seeming to catch a hint, and how nobody really wants to talk about it even though we absolutely know this is exactly what happened.

There's also the very interesting issue that the US intelligence agencies continue to claim the Russians were unsuccessful in hacking the voting machines on election day. I find this a very surprising claim, considering the following facts:

1) They made a serious attempt to penetrate the system in at least 21 states. (Confirmed by US intelligence agencies.)
2) They got their hands on classified information on the voting machines (confirmed by US intelligence agencies)
3) They have capable hackers (common knowlege)
4) As proved by DefCon trials (a gathering of "white hack" hackers), the voting machines in use in the US are generally pretty easily hacked even wirelessly.

So, even though we know the US voting machines are totally hackable, we know the Russians have good hackers, and we know they tried all over the country, the Russians did not succeed in hacking the machines. Even once.

Or alternatively the US intelligence community and really the country in general doesn't want to talk or even think about this.

08-06-2017, 08:05 AM	#7542
Itse Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Helsinki, Finland Exp:	What should Clinton have done differently? Mostly not get falsely accused by the FBI right before the voting day. Before that she was in a comfortable lead. That had nothing to do with Clinton, because there was nothing to those accusations. (In fact there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the FBI got played by Russian intelligence, who inserted false documents into an otherwise legitimate leak of Clintons emails. It's the same strategy Russia tried to use in the recent French presidential election, but failed because the French were too smart to fall for such an obvious strategy.) It's pretty obvious why nobody in the US likes to talk about this, because it's just too uncomfortable. What surprises is me is why so many outside that country are so eager to find convoluted alternate explanations to something that really has a pretty simple explanation. Plus there's the whole topic of how all through the election Russia consistently managed to insert their own talking points into the US media and social media without anyone seeming to catch a hint, and how nobody really wants to talk about it even though we absolutely know this is exactly what happened. There's also the very interesting issue that the US intelligence agencies continue to claim the Russians were unsuccessful in hacking the voting machines on election day. I find this a very surprising claim, considering the following facts: 1) They made a serious attempt to penetrate the system in at least 21 states. (Confirmed by US intelligence agencies.) 2) They got their hands on classified information on the voting machines (confirmed by US intelligence agencies) 3) They have capable hackers (common knowlege) 4) As proved by DefCon trials (a gathering of "white hack" hackers), the voting machines in use in the US are generally pretty easily hacked even wirelessly. So, even though we know the US voting machines are totally hackable, we know the Russians have good hackers, and we know they tried all over the country, the Russians did not succeed in hacking the machines. Even once. Or alternatively the US intelligence community and really the country in general doesn't want to talk or even think about this.