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Originally posted by Bingo@Nov 10 2004, 09:28 PM
I mean no disrespect to the book you just wrote, but I'll reply in generalizations as this could go on all month.
I guess this brings us back to where we started doesn't it?
You think one way and you have millions that see things that exact same way. I think another way and I have millions that think my way too.
The only difference between us is that I don't speak in fact, I speak in what I think and I leave it at that.
you had one line in your reply to me ... That proves you lean right and that's not a surprise. Russert is a moderate conservative, but a conservative all the same.
This is the biggest issue between you and me. I differ from you but don't call you wrong or think that I've "proved" anything.
Lanny, you haven't. You haven't proven a damn thing. And that was my point from the beginning. There are plenty of sources to back up the liberal media myth, and plenty of sources to back up a left leaning balance. Where is the truth? I don't know, but then (and this might come as a shock), either do you.
I'm well aware that a book like Bias from Goldberg probably has examples that back up his liberal bias notion, but he has excluded examples that would prove the opposite. The same would be true of your sources too.
But I do know any time a poll has been issued to media in Washington or New York the results come back in the high 70's and above for Democratic voting record. That doesn't mean they let their bias or political leanings enter their daily work, but they'd have to be pretty super human not to let their belief system get in the way.
As I said earlier ... I don't think a debate like this will ever land at a conclusion.
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Well, that's too bad. I was really looking for some specifics to define who these LWers are that hold the power in the media. Like I say, I can list 30-40 RW Op-Ed writers that have major distribution. I can name 20-30 on air personalities that have major syndication deals. I can name the bodies where the news is developed, the experts that are used to support those stories, where the money comes from and how the whole system was developed. I was hoping to see the same from the other side of the fence to try and balance things out and prove that there is a huge liberal lean to the media and not just a bunch of noise to cover the manipulations of the right. The generalities just don't cut it, which says that the claim of the "liberal media elite" just doesn't hold the weight its supposed to.
See Bingo, that's what I don't like about this argument at all (from either side on any issue). I've grown cynical in my old age and I have found that if you can't produce a paper trail your story isn't worth beans. You can't get a warrant without probable cause. The right has not produced a very convincing story other than repeating the story over and over and over. Where's the paper trail? Where's the support mechanisms for this bias? You don't hold the power like you suggest without a support mechanism and it just isn't there to be found. When you consider that the media is being swallowed up by corporate America and that those corporations are all RW in bias it does not make sense for them to maintain a liberal spin internally. Corporate Culture dictates that.
You're right, this debate will never end in a conclusion. All I was hoping for was a someone to pull out some information to support the claim, and that hasn't happened. Call me disappointed, especially after you seemed so sure that you had a case to support the claim.