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Old 07-16-2017, 07:15 PM   #661
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
The Taliban were never a true government in Afghanistan, they were murderous freaks who took the country in an illegal military coup. the minute they refused to hand over bin laden they showed the entire world they were nothing but thugs and idiots, the UN agreed that Hamid Karzai should head up a transitional government as soon as the Taliban were driven out and he as president invited the world to help clean out the perverted mess called the Taliban and Al-Qaeda

And no, after 9-11 Bush didn't need an invitation


Wrong, actions breed hate and Islam is full of the wrong actions lately
So wait, were the Americans invited or weren't they? You said they were "invited" (a clear distinction between them and the Taliban, you pointed out) but failed to identify by who and when. Are you now saying that not only was the U.S. not invited, but that they didn't even need an invite? Or that they were invited to stay after violently overthrowing the government and backing the alternative?

If your version of events is correct, that Karzai invited the world to clean out the Taliban and al-Qaeda once he became president, that would've happened in 2004, 2 years after the Khadr incident. If you're talking about when the UN decided he was interim president, that was weeks before the Khadr incident, and I don't believe there was any invite to 59 countries within that time. Do you have a source?

In the end, it's not like the Taliban overthrew a government without the support of the Afghan people. Many hated the prior regime and supported the Taliban (including Karzai himself, until roughly 1997). Many also hated Karzai, who was incredibly corrupt and another in a long line of mistakes he U.S. has made in the region (in the time during and since his presidency, he has again become more endearing of the Taliban while demonising the U.S.).

Are we really saying there is any moral high ground in an unelected, corrupt, and recent supporter of the Taliban inviting the military that put him in power to stick around and kill his enemies? Really?

Actions and ignorance are not mutually exclusive events. Both can exist in the formation of hate. The point is, whether you blame your ignorance for it or the actions of others, hate is a beneficial emotion roughly 0% of the time, and is at the root of problems, not of solutions. There is simply no excuse for it.

The situation in the Middle East is just so complex that there really is no such thing as an educated view that lacks nuance and correct details. It's not simply good vs. evil, or the terrorists vs. everyone else.
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