[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

in my opinion Khadr is not a clear cut victim like milgaard and arar were. Yes torture is reprehensible and a miscarriage of justice.

So it's not ok to torture bad people, but if you do then an apology, and education bursary is sufficient? If you torture a good person, then monetary compensation is appropriate.

How do we determine where the line is on this?

Originally Posted by V

You're really blurring Canadian and American actions.

Actually, there's not where my line of questioning is going at all. It was merely is torture justified. Any blurring is you reading too much into the question.

Originally Posted by Ducay

I must have missed when Milgaard went abroad as a terrorist and killed someone

So you believe torture is justified. You can believe that if you choose, I don't; but it's ok to disagree.

Originally Posted by GaiJin

Again, he wasn't tortured for 10 year straight, and he prolonged his own stay there.

Well I don't think anyone is saying that he was tortured 24 hours a day 3,650 days straight.

And he did prolong his stay there, if he confessed when he was tortured in the beginning, the whole process would have been sped up, however he was trying to have the torture stop via the actual court process.

Originally Posted by V

You can jump into this conversation all you want, but I'm not going to drag you along. Q said that the Canadian government is guilty of torture. That isn't remotely accurate. They didn't do enough to try to stop the torture, but they are not guilty of torture. The Americans are. The Canadian government is guilty and culpable of plenty, but people seem unable to comprehend even the simplist facts of this case.

No I didn't say the Canadian Government was guilty of torture, they were complicit and aided the US but I never said they were guilty of the act of torture (I've actually been very deliberate about that). I was trying to determine whether people think torture is justified.

Do you think torture is justified? Or is it justified when it's another country, but not our own?

Some here believe that it is justified and acceptable.

It's a free country, with freedom of thought, belief and opinion. They're totally allowed to believe that, and I wouldn't want to live in a society that didn't allow free personal thought, belief and opinion.

Originally Posted by belsarius

That frightens me. The idea that torture is justified against an enemy is not a far jump from terrorist attacks are justified against an enemy.

I concur. I don't believe torture is ever justified. If a bad person is tortured, they should be compensated for the torture just as a good person would be.