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Originally Posted by wittynickname
Idealism is wonderful, but it has to be tempered by some grasp of reality and awareness of the world around you, and the Bernie or Bust types are doing more harm than good because they refuse to see the forest for the trees.
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Well, great, I agree again, but this argument was completely ineffective in getting them to vote for Hillary. Whatever you think the Dems should do to bounce back, there's no arguing that Resalien is right, the party is splintered and a large part of the reason we are where we are is because the wing of the party you're admonishing doesn't want to hear from you. They want their guys, not your centrist establishment types who appeal to the broad center, just like the Tea Party wanted their guys. If you don't give them their guys, they're not going to vote for someone else's.
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But the main message needs to be that even if a democrat isn't perfect, rally behind the best option, because it sure as hell isn't going to be whatever tea party disaster the GOP is putting out there.
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This is how things go from terrible to even worse, though, if you have a Democratic version of the Tea Party who nominates their own particular flavour of nutbar and the establishment of the party shrugs and says "well, it's still better than what they're serving across the aisle". That's literally the end of the country; I seriously doubt there's a road back from that place.