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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
So I get what your saying, but when you look at these monsters that are following ISIS and being inspired and recruited by ISIS, the whole fighting social injustice argument goes out the window when you talk about a group that machine guns woman and children, commits acts of savage mass rape and a host of other brutal atrocities including attempting acts of genocide against other Muslim Groups. You even saw it in the video above where they believed that the Kurds who are other Muslims are unbelievers. At this point we are talking about a group that is equivalent to the Nazi's.
I mean I'm sure that there are radicals that believe in the whole social injustice thing. But what percentage of ISIS supporters are that, and what percentage are thrill killers with no life who's goal is to be able to legally rape a kid?
Yes absolutely understanding motivation is key, but by simply saying its one motivation means that your blinding yourself to the fact that this problem with radicalization goes far beyond merely being able to pin social injustice and oppression on it.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying Cap, they are monsters. But how do you fight monsters? How do you subdue the beast that grows two heads when you cut one off? I would argue the best strategy here is to try and corral and then tame the beast. The only way to truly defeat this twisted perspective to wait for it to defeat itself and allow the people to turn on it.
The next question is, how do you fight the monsters when you prop up the breeding ground from which the monster is born? You can't continue to cry foul about the radicals when the majority of them come from the land you consider your best ally in the region. You're not going to affect change with the people if you keep supporting the same people most responsible for the oppression. Until the United States starts treating the Saudis as the problem they are, then what is really going to change in this regard?
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
You can't reason with people like this. They replace complex questions that require nuance, with simple questions that are black and white. It allows their simplistic thinking room to breathe.
They are incapable of thoughtfulness and can only pound the same myopic drum. It's similar to ISIS and their supporters. Closed minded extremists.
Snuff is ominously similar to T@T.
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You're right, you can't reason with people like this. You can only wait for them to do themselves in, or die off of natural causes or at the hands of their own. I always jokingly say that the answer to the radical right in the United States is to wait 10-15 years, and it will just naturally die off from old age or a Darwin award moment. The same thing here.
The way to really defeat this radical perspective is to get these people educated. Get them exposed to another book than the Koran. Get them away from the 7th century worldview and get them into a 21st century perspective. It takes time, and it takes a concerted effort to do so. The younger folk here may not understand this, but look at the difference a generation of American media has affected Canadians. Apply that to the Muslim world. Al Jazeera is a problem in many of the Middle Eastern countries because it speaks truth to power. There needs to be more media like this, and more western media, to sway the next generation away from these radial views and have a greater perspective on their religion. You don't win hearts and minds at the end of a gun.