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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
I'm not suggesting this is a be all comment on the opinions of Muslims, but we'll continue to talk over each other if we ignore basic facts like the fact that more than an insignificant number of Muslims believe in some horrid stuff. Converting from Islam is still condemned by death in too many places with a good support by their citizens
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Yes, I know, I wasn't criticizing you or rebutting your point, which is in my view clearly correct. It's been clear for years, as far as I'm concerned, which is why it's frustrating when these debates renew themselves every time an event like this happens.
And yeah, Photon, in Canada those churches? I could see it in the southern USA, but really? I mean, sure, fifteen or twenty years ago it was far easier to find overt homophobia of the "these people can't be trusted with our children" sort among churchgoers, but not actually
in church. When I was a kid there was a big brouhaha between the two local churches, one United and one Anglican, over whether gays should be openly supported or if it should be a "God loves you even though this isn't behaviour we condone" sort of approach, and this was in the 1990's. I recall many arguments involving the conservative wing of the family about it. Not that I've been to church in a long time for anything besides weddings, but I can't imagine it's become anything but more gay-friendly in the interim.
And I've never heard a word of anti-semitism interacting semi-regularly with devout protestants around my age; quite the opposite, as they all seem to be intractably pro-Israel.