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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
Through these last pages, I only feel more confused - the evidence you present is (mostly) measured and reasonable, but your conclusion seems to come out of left field. I admire you sticking to your guns, but I simply don't understand!
Regardless of the points here that I don't fully agree with (I think rebutted in the last day or two), reading this for only what it is, I arrive at a sum of of 'annoyance to both sides, but the Flames have done more wrong'.
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I'll try again, maybe this puts this to bed and I can get back to worrying about goaltending.
The Flames took to long.
If they were told to skip the West Village and soldiered on, then they are either foolish, or perhaps un-trusting of the mayor or city hall in that conclusion.
I hated their presentation. I was there at the Royce Theatre and rolled my eyes. They were so disingenuous to have Commonwealth listed as a new stadium because they had renovations but then had the Saddledome listed at the build date and ignored the renovations that happened there.
To his credit Nenshi was equally as disingenuous the other day when he referred to the flood fix as a renovation as well, so I guess they deserve each other.
I believe, but can't prove, that the club ownership were honest in thinking they had a solution that could solve a multitude of problems for the city, but they would have been smarter to admit their own gains as well instead of selling it as a "we will help make Calgary a world class city" argument.
I hope the club ownership wasn't as naive as this presentation bore, and that they just picked the wrong front man to head it up, but then they had to have signed off on it, so you really can't cut them any slack.
King's response to almost any question since has been condescending and off the mark in my mind for what the city is really thinking. I don't think he's the right guy to be in this debate.
The mayor came out shooting from the get go with a lot of snarkiness and disrespect in my mind.
He's matched and in my mind exceeded King to some degree in his smugness and blatant painting of a city as a united front when clearly that's not the case.
I don't honestly believe assigning all the costs to a project that takes up 30% of the land area is fair as I see it as a Development A vs Development B comparison. If the city has no plan on ever developing the West then it's more true, but then it shouldn't have been summarized as the CSEC was way off on their cost summary. I personally (no one has to agree with me) would have respected them more for just saying "we don't want to go forward in the West at this time. In the future sure, but at I don't think the CSEC can wait that long."
My spidey sense through Uber, the math issue, and the building discussion has really pushed my opinion of the mayor into the toilet, something I think can be seen as shared by the actions of alderman to his unilaterally killing CalgaryNext and the 8 that started their own survey as a way to cut through the rhetoric (all my assumptions and conclusions)
I think the fact that we bought the man a trip to Brazil so he could give himself a legacy of the Olympics while consistently snarking at a future partner for facilities that will be needed to land said Olympics was the epitome of double speak, and really bizarre.
So I'm not just hammering one side. They both annoy the hell out of me.
Hopefully we can just leave this now.