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Old 04-19-2017, 12:24 AM   #157
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You can't have a good story without a conflict/struggle, though.

It's just a law of storytelling. Rey has picked up everything so fast and handed Kylo's rear end to him despite having no lightsaber battle experience. Wasn't much of a struggle, which is part of why the ending of 7 felt so underwhelming. The base stuff too. Poe just flew in and made it look like leisurely practice shooting. Went relatively unchallenged. Just felt too easy.

Luke had to watch his aunt/uncle die, mentor/guardian get it from Vader and loses his hand, is forced to face the ####y truth that he's the offspring of a man who represents everything he hates, and has his friend kidnapped. Also everyone tells him throughout that he is no Jedi, is not ready and cannot beat Vader. Makes for a more satisfying end to the trilogy when he redeems himself.

In order for this new trilogy to elevate its story, Rey needs to take some lumps the same way Luke did.
But your comparing three movies of Luke set backs to one of Rey.


If you look at the first movies of both franchises

Rey is abandoned by her parents and is basically a slave and treated like garbage. Even the only person that was around for her, the junk dealer backstabs her and sends his men to steal her new friend in BB-8.

Luke's Aunt and Uncle are killed by the Empire.

Rey finds a father figure in Han Solo who treats her with kindness and even looks out for her and offers her a job. Then he has his kidney's removed and falls to his death in front of her.

Luke's father figure takes him to the bar and then chops a guys hand off to save Luke. Later he gets into a sword fight and in front of Luke sacrifices himself and vanishes, but we find out later in that same movie that he's not really dead and helps Luke shoot up the Death Star.

Luke kisses his sister and doesn't know.

Luke's best friend growing up Biggs is blown into Atoms by Vader, Luke doesn't even mourn him probably because Biggs never took him to Toche Station (If you watched the unreleased clips of ANH)

Rey witnesses her best friend get cut open like a cheap can of tuna in front of her and remains in a coma at the end of the movie.

Now the whole rewarded without effort thing.

Rey channels the forces and fights Kylo Ren, and beats him. Its clear that she's incredibly powerful but untrained in the force and uses her instincts.


Luke flying an unfamiliar high performance fighter having previously flown a lightly armed T-16 back home with a slightly psychotic hobby of shooting whomp rats who don't fire back, channels the force and shots a high yield torpedo into a 8 foot hole while flying at maximum velocity without using any kind of aiming device. His only help is Obi-Wan mumbling things like use the force and let go.

Further setback, Rey flys across the galaxy to meet up with the galaxy's greatest hero and most powerful jedi knight. When she finally meets him he looks like he just came back from dumpster diving for empty blue milk bottles.

Meanwhile Luke gets a medal from a hot princess while hanging out with his two best friends neither of whom basically had their spine removed.
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