[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

I mean what details do you want? I'm not privy to the stated foreign policy of the Obama administration.

Lame. You don't have to be privy to the "stated" foreign policy to interpret what the foreign policy is.

The result, however, was consistent hesitance to intervene as a result of a fear of everything turning into an Iraq. They were too blinding by "getting out" (on a Bush timeline btw) instead of taking an honest accounting of the realities in the places they were trying to get out of.

This is obviously well beyond your understanding. Obama had no control over the timeline for leaving Iraq. That was on Bush. Once that agreement had been reached it was on the Iraqi government to change any timeline and they wanted the Americans out of the country ASAP. They could have taken any accounting they wanted, but the reality was they had to be out by a certain date and that was negotiated before Obama took office.

In the end it doesn't matter what their intended foreign policy was, because we can look at the results and rationally claim that it was not successful because there's only one situation they left better than it was when they came into office. If their actual policy was just to walk away from everything and not get involved regardless of the consequences, then I'm sorry, that's just another addition to the faults.

Or, we can look at the policy and view it as a success. Obama's foreign policy was based on multilateralism and building coalitions to find solutions. But if you knew what the administration's philosophy on the foreign policy was you would be able to explain this. You clearly don't.

Again, no one is commending Trump's foreign policy here, please stop trying to desperately tie criticism of a segment of Obama's administration with approval of Trump's policy.

And I haven't done anything like that. I have called out your simplistic and uniformed view of foreign policy. Big difference. Now, if you can articulate the Trump foreign policy we could do an actual comparison. Actually, if you can articulate the Trump foreign policy you may be the first person on the planet to have a clue WTF Trump is doing in this regard.