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Old 02-20-2017, 10:15 PM   #4571
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What's wrong with the Trump kids trying to expand their business?
What are the odds that that particular venture is in better standing now that Trump is in the White House? Basically 100%. The issue is that he hasn't actually distanced himself from his businesses - he's offered no proof that he has even done the things he suggested he would, and those things themselves are woefully inadequate according to ethics experts even if he had done them. So, yeah, there's a lot wrong in the circumstances. For that, you just needed to watch a press conference where he stood behind a stack of paper and refused to let anyone look at any of it.
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I read about the travel ban parts and the court proceedings...still unsure where I sit with whether I agree with it or not.
Did you read about agencies refusing to comply with the early court rulings? How about Trump calling the ruling judge a "so-called" judge while accusing him of undermining national security? This was all on twitter.
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Flynn and Russia I still don't really understand the issue.
This demonstrates that you're not even paying attention, in that case. The previous President had imposed sanctions on Russia. Prior to taking office, the National Security Advisor for the soon-to-be president contacted Russian officials and told them - it appears, and there is an investigation to confirm the details - that they needn't worry about the sanctions because the next president would deal with them. That's undermining the sitting president. That is effectively treasonous behaviour. There's one president at a time for a reason. Yet Trump said in a press conference that he saw nothing wrong with this and would have instructed Flynn to do it anyway.

There remains, also, the open question as to what the people in his campaign who were talking to Russian political operatives were telling them at the same time that Russia was leaking DNC e-mails during the Democratic Convention.

And you "don't understand the issue"? Seriously, what about that seems okay?
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His Twitter is fairly sensationalized like most media, and it definitely fits his over the top nature. I don't really like it but whatever, that seems to be media nowadays.
Donald Trump is not a media personage. He's not a talking head. He's the President of the United States. He's the most powerful person on Earth (I wince just typing that). His words have massive repercussions. When he calls the news media the "enemy of the american people", it's nakedly authoritarian language. When it comes from the head of the state, it's not just "over the top, but what can you do", it's horrifying. It isn't remotely justifiable. Having someone who says things like that - and as noted that's but one example, it's not an isolated one - it's more than just a national embarrassment. It violates everything a democratic country should be about.
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His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
If you watched that and thought he made sense, I'm not sure what to tell you. Your standards for rational discourse are way, way too low.
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