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Originally Posted by Ryan Coke
Nah, it's not super wrong.
You are arguing technical definitions, which is absolutely useful and interesting on a certain level. But to look wider at the concept that people who do horrible things all have a level of mental defectiveness is very reasonable. The level it is at, and the way it manifests is certainly different, but to debate where the legal system has placed a somewhat arbitrary line is completely legitimate.
This situation is interesting in that most of the spectrum of opinion that is shown in this thread is quite reasonable and defensible. There isn't much here that is completely ridiculous. There are some that for various reasons believe in more individual rights at the cost of others potential safety. And the side that is more comfortable limiting some individual rights to protect the many.
But the discussion over the concept of NCR and why the line is placed where it is in regard to differing mental illness' is anything but 'super wrong'.
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The super wrong part is Pylon thinking schizophrenics are offered a moment of lucidity before their illness takes over. He's suggesting people with this mental illness have a chance to choose their course of action because we have the internet as a resource. Like "hey, wait a minute...I just Googled all this devil sitting next to me, space alien, cia micro chip stuff and it is starting to sound a little far fetched, but I'm just going to go with it anyway." That's actually so painfully wrong it's insulting. The hallmark of schizophrenia is that it makes you feel like you're hyper-sane, better able to assess the world around you than other people and it's actually everyone else who is crazy. And this is the predominant line of thought very early on in the process. It's what makes staying on medication so difficult.
The difference between ncr and not I'm sure gets fuzzy around the edges as do most things. But there really is no comparison between knowing what you're up to and not. Suggesting addicts are in the same boat as schizophrenics just shows you don't know anything about the two. It's very common for addiction and schizophrenia to go together and this might be where the line gets blurred.