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Old 01-22-2017, 12:16 AM   #469
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree View Post
I think, at this point, you can say that I'll never really understand your position. Whether it's because I'm just not smart enough, or your position doesn't actually make as much sense as you think it makes, is probably down to life experience.

At a certain point, a view is not going to become "clear", nor is it fair to say it's being distorted by one side or the other. That suggests there is an interpretation that is correct, when nobody can really decide how another's life experience colours their view of things.

It's the same reason why some empathise with BLM and others absolutely hate them. It's not that one is right and one is wrong, it's that lacking life experience on the "other" side makes empathy extremely difficult.
Your basically saying that your worldview will have an effect on your opinions. This is true. There's a whole branch of Christian and Islamic apologetic that depends on this. However, your incorrect to say the view isn't being distorted by one side or another. The very nature of your worldview is that it distorts how you see things, in particular how things relate to each other. However, if your opponent is saying your distorting how they see things, you should believe them. The distortion you are talking about due to worldviews, and the distortion Corsi is talking about are two different things. Corsi's is saying he feels like you are not arguing in good conscience because you are not first trying to understand before disputing. Your basically just saying there are different opinions due to differences in perspectives, as though that's somehow a response.

When I run into such an impasse with people in real life, the first thing I try to do is summarize my opponents position. Then I look for places where I, or my opponent might be conflating multiple definitions of the same term. After this I clarify what I think their position is. I simply keep wondering what it is that I don't understand and keep asking questions until I either see what I'm missing, or I see what the other person is missing. At this point, its straightforward to resolve the impasse and actually have a discussion about the merits of the two different view points.

And FWIW, I both empathise with BLM, and think they are misguided and counter productive. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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