[quote=Cheese;608308]Well actually if you did read what I posted you would find the exact proof you suggest wasn't there. Regardless...it is a VERY long read and understandable that most would bore of it within a few paragraphs.
troutman has posted many links on the roman census, as has Cowperson and myself. Here are some facts...
--the Apostle Paul, by his own admission, never knew the person Jesus but, instead, based his entire faith on a vision he claimed came to him about Jesus’ resurrection; [/endquote]
True but Paul's epistles testify to the amount of People who witnessed the resurrection. It is he who reported that on one occasion Jesus appeared to 500 people at once. He witnessed the eyewitnesses dying for their faith in the one you say doesn't exist and history tells us that he followed them fearlessly.
[quote]--the Gospels do not provide any physical description of Jesus;
--the year of Jesus’ birth is unknown and, based on available evidence, indeterminable; [/endquote]
I've read they recently discovered partial records of the census that occurred at the time of Jesus' birth. When they figure out the date of that census they should have a better idea. Remember it wasn't that many years ago that critics doubted the existence of a person named Pilate.
[quote]--there is no historical validation of King Herod’s supposed slaughter of Jewish children at the time of Jesus’s alleged birth;[/endquote]
Maybe Herod didn't want that little news item recorded in the official records.
[quote]--Jesus’ ancestry is illogically tied back to King David through Jesus’ father Joseph;[/endquote]
One gospel traces the royal linage from David to Joseph- the husband of Mary. The other traces the linage from Adam down to Mary if I remember right.
[quote]--the author of Matthew was clearly not Jewish, as evidenced by his mistranslation of Isaiah’s prophecy of the Messiah’s virgin birth;[/endquote]
The gospel of Matthew more than any other shows the many fulfilled Old Testament prophesies. It has been described as the gospel unto the Jews. The argument that Matthew misquoted Isaiah's prophesy is false. Isaiah prophesied in Hebrew that Jesus would be born of a maiden. Matthew in translating the prophesy used a Greek word meaning virgin. The argument stems from those who deny the virgin birth. Matthew simply recognized that a maiden was a young virgin. Maidens were virgins.
[quote]--the overall credibility of the Matthew and Luke nativity stories are seriously in doubt;[/endquote]
By you and folks like you.
[quote]--there is no reliable evidence for the alleged crucifixion of Jesus;[/endquote]
You think that some records could have been lost in the last 2000 years?
[quote]--the writings of Roman historian Tacitus concerning the alleged historicity of Jesus are neither clear or specific;
--the observations of the Roman governor of Bithynia, Plithy the Younger, do not provide reliable evidence of Jesus’ actual existence; and even
--the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus on the allegedly historic Jesus have undeniably been adulterated by others with a pro-Christian spin.[/endquote]
I agree with you concerning Josephus. The others I'm not familiar with.
[quote]Former evangelical minister Dan Barker points out in his book, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist, “[T]here is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed.”
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The 27 books of the New Testament were written by contemporaries of Jesus Christ. They have been shown to be historically accurate. Citing the correct rulers of the time and geography. We also have the church Fathers in the second Century who quoted, collected, and copied the letters which made up the New Testament. They are the ones who give our only record of the apostles deaths.
[quote]Further...if you have proof of Jesus Christ being recorded in any census please let the Historians know...because if you do have something its likely a fabrication.
Roman history records no census ever in which each man was required to return to the city where his ancestral line originated. That’s not how the Romans did things.[/endquote]
I will look for the article I read.
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