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Originally Posted by New Era
And who do you think develops the potential in those students? Do you think that the bricks and mortar of the building these students sit in magically draw out the brilliance of those students, or do you think it is the faculty who share their experience and expertise on each subject and challenges the student to work beyond the constraints of their understanding or perspective?
Whoa! Holy moving of the goalposts, Batman. We just went from a discussion of the faults of education in general to a discussion about the faults of institutions who have a research component attached to their faculty responsibilities. That is a big difference between the two, but the fact still remains, the better faculty will draw the better positions at better schools, and as a result draw the better students.
Boy, you either misunderstood my post, or are misrepresenting it. I clearly stated how an institution's reputation is established, and it is all on the quality of the graduates (the quality of the student) and how they display or execute their theoretical foundations learned in school (the quality of the learning from faculty). The product is how universities are judged, and the graduates are the product. If an institution wants better quality graduates (a better product) they need to attract better faculty to work with the students and push them to realize their potential. This is why an institution like ASU made wholesale changes in their faculty and started bringing in professors like Lawrence Krauss. Your school is only as good as the faculty who teach there.
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I'm arguing their is a marginal link between the quality of faculty and the quality of education. I'm in general talking about 4 year degree programs accredited by industry and to some degree trade schools as well as opposed to the scam trump universities and other devry type degree farms.
The faculty at these institutions is not selected based on there ability too educate. Therefore you can't successfully make an argument that the success of these students is because of the quality of faculty. In many cases it is inspite of the quality of faculty. Based on my experience 50% of faculty at 4yr degree granting institutions would rather not teach.
What drives the quality of outcome is the quality of student and there ability to learn from semi-competent teachers.