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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
The Hartley system was a great fit for perpetual 22nd place finishes.
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Ignoring the fact that Hartley didn't perpetually get 22nd place finishes in his time - and ignoring the fact that the Flames were a rebuilding team during his tenure here - that was not the point I was making. Was not even stating that Hartley's system was better than Gulutzan's system.
The poster I quoted stated that there were lots of blowout games during Hartley's tenure. That simply was false.
Great job at a drive-by though. First class. Your drive-by contains absolutely nothing with regards to the conversation, or what my point was.
Also, you fail. If you think Hartley's system leads to perpetual 22nd place finishes, then I don't know what to tell you. Flames did make the playoffs one year. That nullifies your argument. Also, this was a rebuilding squad, so quite unfair to assume that the team would be continually finishing in the bottom of the standings year after year.
Further to that...
The Stars - led by the scrub of a coach Lindy Ruff - finished 2nd in the league last year. Before you decide to move the goalposts and say it was just 'Hartley coaching', you wrote "The Hartley system was a great fit for perpetual 22nd place finishes." Ruff uses the exact same system for the Stars, who finished 2nd overall last year. So no, 'the Hartley system' is not relegated to perpetual 22nd place finishes.
It is funny - I am giving Gulutzan an open mind, and I have been on record that I prefer a system that has a more active defence pressuring the other team in the defensive zone. I find it funny how many posters are throwing garbage at Hartley and making it seem like things were so much worse than they were.
No, the Flames were not 'blown-out often'.
No, Hartley's system (the same system that a few teams use, actually) does not guarantee 22nd (or worse) place finishes.
Just because the team decided to move on doesn't make him a terrible coach. Just because he won the Jack Adams doesn't mean the team made a mistake by moving on from him. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. There is no need to just spew nonsense - especially when it comes in the form of 'matter of fact' drive-bys that don't even relate to a post that is quoted.