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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I just find humanism to be either a fairly easy gateway to some pretty heinous ideas, or so mundane, pointless, and presumptuous that it's laughable people would even label themselves that way.
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Sort of like someone claiming that they're a proponent of human rights? I mean... cool, so are the rest of us. Pretty sure no one around here is about to give a speech about how terrible human rights are.
Anyway, it's true that at this point gatherings like
http://reasonrally.org/ aren't as significant as they were in the 1990's or even early 2000's, simply because society has changed and the religious right holds far less cultural power than it used to. But that pendulum can pretty easily swing back, as you've just demonstrated by suggesting that humanism can lead to "heinous ideas", which I think is a pretty clear correlation / causation disconnect. That particular argument has been settled for me for a while, though.
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I was mostly laughing at how just being a proponent of human rights and the rejection of a lot of the "this is how the real left should act" diatribe that goes on makes me "far left."
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Nothing really turns on it, because ideological labels aren't terribly useful, but I don't think it's unfair to describe your politics in that way, given that not only do you take the left's view on literally every issue as far as I can tell, but also are in favour of identity politics and the like. I certainly wouldn't describe it as centrist. But like I say nothing turns on it and it's totally not worth arguing what if any "category" your beliefs should go in.