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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
The Norway system hasn't actually produced any evidence that it has a positive impact on the wage gap or the role of the mother and father, according to any studies I could find.
I would just like to see some studies and some actual evidence that suggests the father quota has any impact at all on what we're talking about. If anything, there is evidence that blended systems (like we have) are better than mother-dedicated and father-dedicated time periods. Having both parents present is beneficial, having the mother present is more beneficial directly after birth, but I haven't seen any evidence that the father quota has a positive impact at all (other than conjecture and "we like it").
Norway is vastly different in a lot of different areas. It's pretty hard to point at one of their many social engineering practices and say "that's why this problem is reduced" when the fact is, a ton of stuff goes into that problem.
And I disagree that Canadians in general aren't averse to change if "it works." You have to define what "it works" really means, and even then, there are a swath of people that wouldn't care.
The majority (60+%) of Norwegians want he father quota abolished. What chance does it stand here if "it works" there and most don't even want it?
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A) Possibly, I'm not an expert on Norwegian paternity leave (and in addition the child needs to be considered along with the wage gap and the family unit). My point continues to be that we should be open to possibilities, even if conservatives have a distaste for "social engineering".
B) I agree, and defer to any experts in family leave on this, because I'm not.
C) Yes, I'm pretty sure I know that Norway has completely different circumstances. I never said that this idea was the be all and end all, I was saying it's something to think about. I'm not trying to debate, just discuss.
D) In the context of upping our current mat leave to 12 months, I didn't and don't hear a lot of anger - mostly support or neutrality. That was the context of my comment.
E) If you're taking that from Wikipedia, note that the paper that ran the poll is conservative, and people with young children were broadly in support. That's what I care about.
Anyway - I think you've mischaracterized me as a huge proponent of paternity-only leave. I'm just saying we should (yes) look at whatever evidence there is and keep an open mind when we think about societal goals. Maybe it's an idea worth considering as we strive for equality between the genders both at home and in the workplace.