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Old 11-16-2016, 07:20 PM   #2122
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Originally Posted by GirlySports View Post
you have to give people a helping hand but then have to let go at some point. or else they will always depend on that hand.

there is an argument to be made that the former can't happen yet. but eventually that staged has to be reached... as was discussed with photon, how do we measure that?
Ultimately you need to be working for the chain link fence..

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