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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
No, see, this is where I should be insulted, because you've just accused me of defending racism and sexism or being ignorant of it. I'm none of those things. What I'm positing is that identity politics, as a mode of looking at the world, is a bad way to solve these problems.
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Whoa, I didn't accuse you of that, it's just an assessment of your reasoning and the flaws I see in it. All I did was disagree with you. I'm sorry my use of language triggered you.
In the end, you need to understand why identity politics exist, I don't think you do. You're looking at a problem and pointing to the result and confusing it with the cause. Identity politics are not a mode of looking at the world that any minority chose. It was formed by discrimination, and it will die out as soon as that discrimination ceases to exist. As I said earlier, tribalism exists only as long as it has to, the end goal is not an end to that human instinct, but making the tribe so big that the lines don't exist within the group (or do, but in harmless ways like being a fan of opposing teams).
You will never get to where you want to be with people you disagree with if you expect much more of them than you do of yourself. If you continue to call those people you disagree with (or whose method you disagree with) elitist, annoying, emotional, indignant, categorise them into groups and disregard them, painting people with the same brush... you really can't ask of them any different. You use the same tactics you accuse the RL of using, but it's against people who act that way... so it's ok? I thought that's what made people dig in and hurt our ability to have a conversation?
The best way to the solution you're after is to be part of it. Start with that, then tackle the big stuff like changing a whole political trend.