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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I totally disagree with your first point - identity politics is exactly about "I'm different from you, so you should be quiet and listen to me" - but this is absolutely true about a lot of people who see the same problems that Cliff and I are worried about.
I think the key is sticking to principles - "more expression is better, a vibrant marketplace of ideas is preferable to suppressing ideas we don't like, dead dogmas lead to serious social problems, people rebel when you try to box them in ideologically", and so on - and talking about why those principles are important. Talk about ideas, not people. That's the way to avoid this problem.
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Well there we have it. From that statement, along with previous positions and statements, I KNOW you don't understand identity politics, and I can comfortably assume Cliff doesn't either.
Do you really think BLM is a rage against sameness? "Hey, we're DIFFERENT, notice our differences and shut up!" Do you think gay rights marches and activism exists because we're just treated too darn the same and want to be seen as different? If you truly believe that the point of identity politics is to highlight differences and silence other groups, you're so far past the point that I have to doubt the relevance of anything you have to say on the matter.
These movements exist as a response to being seen as different and lesser, and their goal is to be seen as the same and equal. How you can think otherwise is almost surreal to me. And don't point to a bad apple, we're talking identity politics as a whole.
I hope you realise how insultingly wrong it is for you to tell me that my desire to have the same freedom and respect as anyone else is akin to trying to shut people up because I'm a special snowflake.
I'm calling you out on your last statement. We'll never agree. Have your vibrant marketplace of ideas where hate is validated, it doesn't sound great to me.