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Old 11-10-2016, 01:47 PM   #1022
CliffFletcher
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This is such a weird way of looking at things. Republicans specifically target blacks with racist policies and tactics, but you blame the left for saying "Hey, blacks are being targeted by these racist policies and tactics." What is your suggestion then? Ignore the fact that things like voter suppression are primarily black issues?
Relentlessly suppress any efforts to treat people differently based on their race or gender. You know, what we were doing for decades when society made tremendous progress on social issues.


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What argument is Cliff presenting here to account for the perceived difference in black communities and asian communities other than race?
Culture.

Can culture be shaped in malign ways by outside forces? Yes. Are outside forces the only way cultures change? Of course not. Was it external pressure that made the modern West the most tolerant towards homosexuality in the world? No. It was internal reform.

If we don't believe some cultures are better than other cultures in certain ways, then we're essentially saying that all values are relative. And in that case, there's no such thing as progress anyway.

The good thing is culture is independent of race, and cultures can and do change all the time. Pretending that the cultures that are doing poorly relative to others are hapless victims with no control over their fate does nobody any good. Of course we have to recognize the external pressures on cultures (and individuals). But that doesn't negate internal responsibility. We can acknowledge one while encouraging the other.
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