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Originally Posted by dobbles
Regarding the videos in general:
To me the video was laughable. Only one of the 3 people wanted anything to do with the ideas. The latter 2 that they introduced both just sat there listening to the undercover reporters spout off a crazy long winded rant about doing these terrible things and then just said something along the lines of 'yeah, I'll get back to you on that.' The Foval guy obviously went into some pretty good detail on how to do it. Others have said he was most likely baited into speaking hypothetically (which based on the past videos by this guy would seem likely) but I actually got the impression listening to him that he had some sort of Napoleon complex. He pretty much constantly had to talk about how awesome he was and how he always has to do everything. Just seems like he probably isn't an actual fixer as I doubt they go around boasting that much. (I get all my information on how fixing works by watching Ray Donovan on Showtime BTW)
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I think there is a lot more credibility to the accusations of violence than the ones about voter fraud based on the footage. There is a lot less room for interpretation for that with based on Foval being pretty blunt about his involvement.
Obviously these allegations need a lot more detailed investigations to determine if there are criminal charges warranted or if they are valid.
These guys aren't just randoms either. Creamer is a guy who is very connected, and has visited the White House at least 100+ times and met with Obama on multiple occasions.