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evman150 · 10-17-2006, 05:32 AM

I think you need to interact with people that have exceptionally high IQs because you clearly have never had the oppurtunity. I have been a member of Cal-Amity, which is the Calgary branch of Mensa for a few years now and I can tell you that the way you are portraying people who have an above average intelligence, or reversely average intelligence, is simply ignorant. Society is not divided on IQ scores or faith systems, some geniuses are happy being high school science teachers, stay-at-home Moms or computer programmers. There are no elite destinctions like you claim there are. Intelligence and faith have absolutely nothing to do with each other. As mentioned earlier it takes just as much faith to believe in nothing than to believe in God.

Ooooohhh...I'm in Mensa, look at me.

The distinction lies between those who believe and those who think freely. And like it or not, intelligence and faith are most definitely related.

What do I know about God existing just because I can figure out patterns or because I have good spatial reasoning? That's absurd! However, there does seem to be a correlation between having a higher education and not believing in a god - higher than the correlation between intelligence and faith. I personally believe this has to do with the inablity of these individuals to examine possibilities outside the realm of man-made methodologies, because we know it can not be from scientific evidence proving there is no God, simply because no such evidence exists. People involved in academia only learn and accept what they are taught and conform to those ideals.

Or it could be that those who attend universities around the world tend to be the most intelligent people. And these same people are the non-believers. But then again, maybe it's your convoluted reasoning. Occam's Razor.

Geniuses are not just categorized based on a test result, Psychologists believe that geniuses are problem finders - constantly looking for problems to solve, not necessarily solutions to problems. A lot of the time, spirituality brings intelligent people to their knees, because there has to be more. Even the scientific explanation of human life being created by a single cell or the big bang theory, does not correspond with some scientific theories.

What scientific theories are these? Who says there has to be more out there? Why does everyone need meaning?

That's pretty bad grammar for someone who is a self-proclaimed member of the "intellectual bourgeoisie"...

Please point out the grammatical error(s).

Then you need to learn how to plot graphs correctly, because according to your graph 100% of people with an IQ of 80 or less are believers, transversely 0% of people with IQs higher than 140 believe in a god.

It's done in Paint bud. Buy me a copy of Graphical Analysis and I'll give you a pretty looking graph. And actually, I made sure to show the dots never reach 100% and that the graph tends to zero asymptotically.

It is possible for a student to be part of the "intellectual bourgeois" - I just don't think you are - you think you are, but you're not. You do NOT represent the intellectually elite by your posts here. To be a member of the intellectual elite, you must be open to new ideas, challenge yourself and your own beliefs and succumb to the idea that man-made methodologies such as science, are just that, man-made. You can not rationally completely exclude any possibility, you simply can not.

I do not exclude any possibility. What I am against is the oppression of thought by people teaching from a millenia old story book.

Here's a quote to munch on:

"The most despicable people in the world are not the people who commit violent crimes, but those who do not only out of the fear of God."

Believe whatever you want to believe, but do not kid yourself and believe that you are an "open-minded" individual, because you are far from it - especially with the castes you break your idea of society into.

How many times do I have to state that I don't consider myself "open minded"? See my previous posts, which ostensibly you read, for my views on this.

10-17-2006, 05:32 AM	#112
evman150 #1 Goaltender Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Richmond, BC Exp:	I think you need to interact with people that have exceptionally high IQs because you clearly have never had the oppurtunity. I have been a member of Cal-Amity, which is the Calgary branch of Mensa for a few years now and I can tell you that the way you are portraying people who have an above average intelligence, or reversely average intelligence, is simply ignorant. Society is not divided on IQ scores or faith systems, some geniuses are happy being high school science teachers, stay-at-home Moms or computer programmers. There are no elite destinctions like you claim there are. Intelligence and faith have absolutely nothing to do with each other. As mentioned earlier it takes just as much faith to believe in nothing than to believe in God. Ooooohhh...I'm in Mensa, look at me. The distinction lies between those who believe and those who think freely. And like it or not, intelligence and faith are most definitely related. What do I know about God existing just because I can figure out patterns or because I have good spatial reasoning? That's absurd! However, there does seem to be a correlation between having a higher education and not believing in a god - higher than the correlation between intelligence and faith. I personally believe this has to do with the inablity of these individuals to examine possibilities outside the realm of man-made methodologies, because we know it can not be from scientific evidence proving there is no God, simply because no such evidence exists. People involved in academia only learn and accept what they are taught and conform to those ideals. Or it could be that those who attend universities around the world tend to be the most intelligent people. And these same people are the non-believers. But then again, maybe it's your convoluted reasoning. Occam's Razor. Geniuses are not just categorized based on a test result, Psychologists believe that geniuses are problem finders - constantly looking for problems to solve, not necessarily solutions to problems. A lot of the time, spirituality brings intelligent people to their knees, because there has to be more. Even the scientific explanation of human life being created by a single cell or the big bang theory, does not correspond with some scientific theories. What scientific theories are these? Who says there has to be more out there? Why does everyone need meaning? That's pretty bad grammar for someone who is a self-proclaimed member of the "intellectual bourgeoisie"... Please point out the grammatical error(s). Then you need to learn how to plot graphs correctly, because according to your graph 100% of people with an IQ of 80 or less are believers, transversely 0% of people with IQs higher than 140 believe in a god. It's done in Paint bud. Buy me a copy of Graphical Analysis and I'll give you a pretty looking graph. And actually, I made sure to show the dots never reach 100% and that the graph tends to zero asymptotically. It is possible for a student to be part of the "intellectual bourgeois" - I just don't think you are - you think you are, but you're not. You do NOT represent the intellectually elite by your posts here. To be a member of the intellectual elite, you must be open to new ideas, challenge yourself and your own beliefs and succumb to the idea that man-made methodologies such as science, are just that, man-made. You can not rationally completely exclude any possibility, you simply can not. I do not exclude any possibility. What I am against is the oppression of thought by people teaching from a millenia old story book. Here's a quote to munch on: "The most despicable people in the world are not the people who commit violent crimes, but those who do not only out of the fear of God." Believe whatever you want to believe, but do not kid yourself and believe that you are an "open-minded" individual, because you are far from it - especially with the castes you break your idea of society into. How many times do I have to state that I don't consider myself "open minded"? See my previous posts, which ostensibly you read, for my views on this. __________________ "For thousands of years humans were oppressed - as some of us still are - by the notion that the universe is a marionette whose strings are pulled by a god or gods, unseen and inscrutable." - Carl Sagan Freedom consonant with responsibility. Last edited by evman150; 10-17-2006 at 05:34 AM.