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Originally Posted by Cheese

Way to twist the logic snake. Thats not what I was talking about and you know it.

I have no idea what you were talking about. It was just another incoherent anti-religion rant.

You are the one who suggested that you could only be virtuous by being religious...that without theism man would inherantly be bad or led down the garden path.

I did? When did I say that?

I never said there wouldnt be bad Atheists, of course there would be/are. Its your flawed logic that man can only do good by following a goD.

When did I say that?

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While the rest of your post is predicated on your inability to actually read what others say, prefering instead to simply make up arguments for others then offer your canned responses, I will respond anyway:

How about we allow the earth a good century of no religious involvement to see what would really happen? Every single religious group on earth would fight to the death to stop that from happening. They would die a slow and painful death.

This is human nature. While you take a great deal of joy in painting religion as evil, you fail to realize that if there is no god, then that evil is coming from man himself. Your arguments in this thread are contradictory. I am not sure how you can argue that many religious people can do so many bad things while arguing that man is inherently good. If God is not making him bad, then man himself is.

Now, back to my point. Mans nature is to resist change he does not like. In this case, religious organizations are no different than monarchies and barons in history. Than the big tycoons and companies of the industrial revolution. Hell, no different than the NHLPA. Man, by his very nature, will fight to retain control. Your argument that organized religions will fight the abolition of religion only further shows that man is not the virtuous individual you claim.

I dont despise theists...I have many friends who are of that ilk...one great friend who is a Pastor, ive mentioned that before. I am allowed to preach my side of things just as loudly and just as strongly as any Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Muslim. Its you who has a problem with that. If that makes me a zealot then so be it snake...at least Im peaceful and only use words to get my point across.

Boy, you just love that moral high ground, dont you? There are bilions of people who are Christian, Jew, Muslim or Agnostic who are peaceful and only use words to get their point across. You are not remotely close to being special in this regard.

And no, I have never said you have no right to argue as loudly and strongly as anyone else with such strong faith. I am merely pointing out that you truely do not occupy any moral high ground.