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Originally Posted by ricardodw
I'll take 50 +/- leaders in 2015-16
you take the bottom 50 +/-
and my team will beat your team 8 out 10 games by 2+ goals
all of the good players in the bottom 50 had bad years and and are hoping to have much better years. There may be a few guys in my list that are not core players on their team. |
I don't think you realize how much you cherry pick data. Great players can have great +\- but great players can also be minus players.
The issue is that you use +\- as the sole determinant in these elaborate arguments and comparisons, when we know that +\- doesn't determine whether a player is great or not. Partly it's because players are played in different situations. For example Monahan puts up 65 points but is still -5 or whatever, because he's on the PP a lot and also matches up against the top players on the other team 5v5. On the other hand Lance Bouma for example, doesn't play PP so when he's on the ice for a goal it counts as a + every time, and furthermore he doesn't match up against the opposition's best lines 5v5 so has easier competition.
Do you see what I am saying at all? Do you see the flaws in +\-? And that using it as a sole determinant in establishing who is good and who is not is problematic?