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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Toe-MAY-toe, toe-MAH-toe. By either your definition or mine, I think Agamemnon will place himself firmly in the agnostic camp.
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Cheese:
"My faith is in the human race...I believe that people are inherantly good and moral and dont need a "religion" to make them so."
Funny. I would tend towards the opposite. I believe that people are inherantly amoral, driven by primal instincts of greed and selfishness and they need a religion to force them make moral choices. Carl Sagan went from "The politicians and the religious leaders and the weapons scientists have been at it for a long time and they've made a thorough mess of it. I mean, we're in deep trouble." to working with organized religion on environmental and international relief projects towards the end of his life. I can't remember the exact quote, but it went something like "I used to believe that religion was a primary cause of all the strife on Earth. I now believe that religion may be the only cure." He, himself, remained an athiest, but he believed that the only means of getting enough people to believe in things like "global warming" instead of their own greed and selfishness was to partner with organized religion.
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LOL...well why dont you take a look at the vast number ofpeople who go to church on Sunday then go home and promptly forget about it....do you know any religious smokers/drinkers/fornicators/wife beaters/child abusers?
How about the Muslim nation these days? A minority amongst the many? The Jewish people did a nice job against Lebanon recently.
Is this amoral people? Or is it amoral people using religion as their basis for murder?
I stand by my thought that man is inherantly good...he will help his neighbor without question...its when you add ingredients that teach man that his choice of theism is the right choice that creates issues.
For every one former atheist you can haul out of the closet suggesting religion is good I can haul out 500 saying the opposite.