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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
Firstly, Johansen was a better player than Hall, independent of position, at the time of trade.
Secondly, I don't see Jones as being all that much better than Larsson. They were both the first defenseman chosen in their drafts, only 2 years apart.
Lastly, I've never argued that top wingers are more valuable than top centers. I'm arguing that elite wingers are more valuable than good centers.
Seriously, the amount of hyperbole and strawmen arguments around here is ridiculous. I guess that's the default method of debate here? Bad form, Peter. . .
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Firstly, by what metric? You've repeated the huge value that being able to score carries. Hall has a career PPG of 0.82, Johansen of only 0.65.
Worth noting? Monahan has a career PPG of 0.67 and he's just a "good" replaceable centre. Gaudreau is at 0.89 PPG and he's "elite" and hard to replace. Similar differences between Monahan and Gaudreau as Hall and Johansen... yet you wouldn't dare call Monahan better.
Secondly, draft position is irrelevant. Hall was taken 1st, Johansen 4th, you still think Johansen > Hall. Monahan 6th, Gaudreau 104, Gaudreau > Monahan.
Lastly, nobody has any idea what that is, because your subjective versions of elite and good don't seem to have any consistency at all.
Seriously, I'd been a little less concerned about reading the informal fallacies page on Wikipedia and a little more concerned with your crippling rate of formal fallacies.
Or you could just stop being undeservedly smug.
Though your name IS Peter...